Manu was awesome I'd say top 20 SG in history for 15 MINUTES. Then he dropped back to top 50 for a couple years and now is at top 10000
Who should I take: a 6'6'' two-way SG that can hit the three, get to the rim, rebound and is one of the best passing shooting guards of all-time or a 5'11'' guy with below average defense that is known for being selfish and missing practices? Mmmh, such a tough choice.
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BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
how you gonna sit up here and blame AI and act like Tammy s wasn't on that team.....in fact Tammy s was so embarrassed he literally quit on his country and vowed never to be back...because he couldn't do well out of his system....
there's no ing way imma let this re ed ass Spur fans on AI just because he's done....he was the truth real talk....and Manu couldn't hold his on his worst day
Jordan
Bryant
West
Iverson
Gervin
Wade
Drexler
Maravich
Allen
Miller
No.
Can somebody please tell me what does Iverson have over Manu besides speed and the fact that he was born in America therefore being able to go to college and be hyped before getting to the NBA so that he could chuck 30 shots per game? Thanks.
AI was an unstoppable force who consistently led the tiest teams in all of basketball....his PG couldn't shoot for , is SF was inept....and his ing center was great defensively but couldn't put the ball in the hole to save his life....AI led teams Manu never has....Manu could not withstand the double and triple teams that AI routinely got....AI is one of the All-time greats Manu is not....it's a no brainer dude....get the outta with that ....
drop a Prime Manu on those Sixers teams and remove AI and they go ing nowhere.....that's not hyperbole it's the truth...it takes a certain mindset to led teams and Manu could never do mentally or physically what AI did...that's just a flat out fact....not taking anything away from Manu
You don't have to tell me about those Sixers teams, I'm a ing Iverson fan I can probably name you 90% of AI's teammates from his entire career, on those Sixers teams alone: Eric Snow, Kevin Olie, Aaron McKie, George Lynch, Tyrone Hill, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, Brain Skinner, Larry Huges, etc.
Iverson had a team that suited his style, he was surounded by a bunch of great defensive players that didn't need touches on offense so that Iverson could chuck as much as he wanted. A lot of folks name that '01 Sixers team to prove that AI carried a bunch of offensive challenged players to the NBA finals but ignore the fact that when he got offensive help he didn't do (those mid '00 teams with Korver, Igoudala, Webber and Dalembert or when when he went to Denver).
Drop prime AI on the Argie NT on '04 and remove Manu and they don't make history.
Heck swap AI for Manu on Kinder Bologna and they probably don't win either. Iverson just doesn't play winning basketball.
Manu's stats were held down in SA in the same way Harden's were held down in OKC. Only difference is that, luckily for us, he stayed. Prime Manu was a better, smarter and more compe ive version of current day Harden tbh.
Unlike AI who has always been a winner right?
Melo wasn't a good fit, Webber wasn't a good fit, Stackhouse wasn't a good fit, the entire US National Team wasn't a good fit. It seems to me like everytime AI played with someone that needed touches on offense the fit wasn't good.
Dumars was a badass,,,that whole team's backcourt was. Vinny the Microwave,,,,Thomas,,,,Dumars but Manu is in the top 10 SG' s of All Time. Dude will be in the HOF.
I'm at a private party rat now. ...5 girls and me and another guy...it's bout to go down. ..they're all laughing at me right now. ...but I'm gonna respond to this drivel....Unlike AI who has always been a winner right?
Melo wasn't a good fit, Webber wasn't a good fit, Stackhouse wasn't a good fit, the entire US National Team wasn't a good fit. It seems to me like everytime AI played with someone that needed touches on offense the fit wasn't good.
AI is a winner. ...his experiences with various teammates is no different than Tammy's experience in the Olympics with All star teammates....Tammy failed to lead when playing with those guys....
AI was a victim of unstructured coaching....Larry Brown was good but he had poor ownership in Philly. .remember the owners brother stealing money from AI's locker during games. ...Tammy and Kobe had great coaches. ...Tammy's only had one coach his entire career whereas Kobe has had about 10..AI has never been part of a good system with good owners and a great coach. ...all he needed was discipline. ...that being said he was light yrs ahead of Manu.....Manu just doesn't posses the raw talent and mental toughness to lead a team like AI....Manu can be broken....he's a softie. ...
Stop Playing Games Dude
Potential/skill wise yes, team accomplishment wise yes, individual accomplishment wise no.
Prime Iverson > Kobe, their stats in the 01 finals are almost a mirror of 95 Hakeem vs Robinson. If you disagree then you have to at least put Robinson equal with Hakeem, or you're a hypocrite .
I am not going to say that Manu is outright better than Iverson but there is a debate to be had there.
I would have thought that the advanced stats revolution as well as the success of cohesive teams like the '11 Mavs and '14 Spurs would have convinced a lot of people by now that winning basketball is not what we once used to think - a.k.a Jordan hero-ball from the 90s, unless of course you do have prime Jordan or LeBron on your team alongside Pippen/Wade.
The type of basketball that AI played throughout his career is almost universally rejected by coaches and GMs around the league now. So while one can argue that AI might have had a few more skills as a player (though Manu is much more complete), his ability to put those skills at the team's disposal was not always there.
But I shouldn't be surprised that it is a Lakers fan that is defending AI so strongly. Kobe's last few years aren't so different after all.
what do you think would have happened if AI was on the spurs instead of Manu? I don't think they win that many championships if any. Part of the reason why kobe and iverson had so many coaches is because both of them are terrible to work with. Even with a great coach it wouldn't have even mattered because AI doesn't practice.
^Just thank Christ Daddy had Kobe up in Portland in '00. Otherwise, I'm short 3 back-to-backs & a triple.
lol turnoboli last possession plays to end quarters....
that step back bull doesnt work no more...fck this turnover machine, making kirby look like an amateur
Jordan/Pippen = LeBron/Wade... that's funny
Anyway my :2cents: manu is somewhere in the top 15 without a doubt.
"Franchise player"... I dunno.
The idea of the franchise player leading any team by force of will is a myth perpetuated by sportswriters, because it never happens, and probably never has if you think about it.
In any event you cant fault him for being a system player.
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