Spurs: Manu Ginobili could have been a franchise player

[midnightpulp]

Because that was his prime.

I said it in the first post I replied to you: he came to the league late, already blossomed in Europe, his "window" was about 4 years at his peak... that's actually probably the biggest knock to call him a "franchise player".

I would've been intrigued if he came over young, gone to the college game here... I'm sure they would've worked some PEDs on his body. But, we'll never know now.

I'd say he was still prime level up until '11, a year where he made the All Star team. 33 isn't that old.

[Arcadian]

He's a slasher/shooter. No post/midrange game = no deal.

[HemisfairArena]

He's a slasher/shooter. No post/midrange game = no deal.

So was Iverson and he was definitely a franchise player.

[ElNono]

I'd say he was still prime level up until '11, a year where he made the All Star team. 33 isn't that old.

Meh, he has always been wild and a joy to watch, and he certainly looked better at 33 than other player I rather not name, but most NBA players on the wrong side of 30 start to slowly decline, especially those with a lot of miles...

FWIW, here's a list of most playoffs games amongst active players (Manu #4):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._active_p.html

And most regular season games amongst active players (Manu #43):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../g_active.html

I can't think of any players around him that anybody would call "injury prone"... I think the whole "injury prone" thing is a bit of a canard...

If you wanna look at injury prone, look at Mo Williams... heck, is Kawhi injury prone?

[Spurs9]

[DAF86]

No he couldn't have.

1. Too injury prone in his prime (not an overblown fact).

1st season: 93 games (and he had some DNCD's)
2nd season: 87 games
3rd season: 97 games
4th season: 78 games
5th season: 95 games
6th season: 91 games
7th season: 44 games (the first and only season seriously reduced by injuries)
8th season: 85 games
9th season: 85 games
10th season: 48 games (lockout)
11th season: 81 games
12th season: 91 games

I don't know about you but that seems like a lot of games played by a guy that is suppossedly injury prone. Let's not forget he has been playing professional basketball since age 18, which means he has played for 20 years with only one trully season ending injury.

Injury prone fame=overblown as

2. Body is not built sturdy enough for his style of play, which is why he was so injury prone and why his minutes were watched.

See above

3. Gets gassed when required to play 35 or more minutes.

I've seen him play for 35 minutes or more for quite some years and he did just fine, tbh.

4. No post game, which is an important weapon a (franchise) perimeter player has needed since Jordan redefined the position in that regard.

Didn't you read the OP? I don't think Manu can be an elite franchise player ala Tim Duncan or Lebron James but a second or third tier franchise player like Steve Nash or Allen Iverson. What kind of post game did those guys have?

[FkLA]

Yeah, I don't get the post-up game part either. Hes a two-guard.

He was one of the hardest guys to stay in font of and one of the best finishers in the league during his prime. Add to that the fact that hes had arguably the best vision/passing of any two guard ever+his unselfishness...and I don't see why he couldn't have been the best player on a solid NBA team.

[DAF86]

Manu himself said he wouldn't have been able to handle big minutes consistently, so even he knows his durability couldn't sustain the type of heavy lifting required to be the man every night for the vast majority of his career.

4:15 mark

Pop: Do you think you could play 35 minutes per game? Manu: Nah, impossible... but maybe at 27, 28.

Translation: Of course I could have played 35 minutes per game during my prime you smelly old man.

[scanry]

4:15 mark

Translation: Of course I could have played 35 minutes per game during my prime you smelly old man.

I think he means 27-28 minutes tbh.

[DAF86]

I think he means 27-28 minutes tbh.

Nah, he clearly says "but maybe at 27, 28"; meaning "maybe at age 27, 28"; really meaning "I have played 35 min per game before, of course I can do it you zitted face you"

[DMC]

Manu says "maybe at 27, 28.... I could".

[DAF86]

The more advanced statistics get, the more Manu Ginobili stands out - Pounding The Rock
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/...ili-stands-out.

What a great career for our Manu has had as a Spur. It has been such a privilege to watch him play.

One of the best to ever do it. Period.

[ambchang]

Ginobili will go down as one of the, if not the, most underrated players in the history of the league.

[DAF86]

He's a slasher/shooter. No post/midrange game = no deal.

This is re ed. Harden plays literally the same game Manu plays and he is going to win MVP.

[DAF86]

That's another point in favour of Manu: his get to the hole or three pointer style was a trend setter.

[DAF86]

Yeah, I think he would have done OK as a franchise player, tbh.

[namlook]

Not a Tim Duncan, Lebron James type of franchise player of course but a Steve Nash, Allen Iverson type....

Unlikely. He was effective because he was skilled but just as important because his minutes were carefully controlled and limited. Put him out there for 35 minutes a night like a franchise player and he wouldn't be the same player. As a franchise guy who is the focal point of an opposing defense he would also struggle against the double and triple teams the franchise players get.

[DAF86]

Unlikely. He was effective because he was skilled but just as important because his minutes were carefully controlled and limited. Put him out there for 35 minutes a night like a franchise player and he wouldn't be the same player. As a franchise guy who is the focal point of an opposing defense he would also struggle against the double and triple teams the franchise players get.

Implying Manu wasn't given main guy defensive attention by opponents when he was the Spurs closer for years.

Folks were like "yeah, we know the game is on the line and Ginobili is probably going to get the ball, but we are not going to guard him that much 'cause, tecnically, he isn't the franchise guy"

I thought mainstream, vanilla, stupid ass takes like this had died out, but apparently there's still a lot of re s out there.

[Thread]

He's so parochial though. More or less a toiler.

[spurraider21]

so according to mid, manu couldn't be a franchise player because no post game, but then criticizes kawhi's post game as antiquated

[140]

so according to mid, manu couldn't be a franchise player because no post game, but then criticizes kawhi's post game as antiquated

[DAF86]

so according to mid, manu couldn't be a franchise player because no post game, but then criticizes kawhi's post game as antiquated

Was thinking exactly the same.

[hater]

Mediocre player that had the fortune to play next to Timmy and Tony

He would have been a franchise player in Europe

But in the US of A he wouldnt even take the toros to thenplayoffs

[Thread]

Mediocre player that had the fortune to play next to Timmy and Tony

He would have been a franchise player in Europe

But in the US of A he wouldnt even take the toros to thenplayoffs

hater, with the sensible goods.

[DMC]

Manu wasn't cut out to be a franchise player. There are times when he's put the team on his back but those are few and far between. Franchise players rise. You might see Jamal Crawford coming off the bench but you won't see LeBron James or Kevin Durant coming off the bench.

Manu didn't really get much better after he got into the league. He had the same style of play as always the Spurs just learned how to deal with it. Yes he is incredibly good but franchise player means more than that.

He could have been a starter his entire career however and easily been a second or third banana on a really good team other than the Spurs.