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Curry's problem is he relys more on trying to be flashy, or how awkward or fast he can jack up a shot. His lack of defense and his attention seeking persona will bite hit.
all the so called best pg of the league are all overrated
all offense but cant even contain their opponent h2h, whats the point of allowing them gettin theirs or just trading baskets?
Curry's problem is he relys more on trying to be flashy, or how awkward or fast he can jack up a shot. His lack of defense and his attention seeking persona will bite hit.
Curry had only one turnover. Kerr is doing a good job limiting his minutes to keep him from becoming a liability. Mark Jackson leaned so heavily on him as to make him a liability once his legs tire.
do people literally assume his lack of defense due to the fact that he's good on offense?
Yes, and we assumed neither David Robinson nor Michael Jordan played a lick of defense. Great reasoning skills you have there.
never suggested that to be the case for every good offensive player of all time. nice try though.
So then there must be something else that causes us to think his defense is ty?
it clearly doesn't come from watching the games or reviewing statistics, which is why i asked
I'm waiting for you to bring up defensive stats that are team based and try to apply it to a player. Go ahead.
a claim was made that curry doesn't play any defense. i challenged the claim. the onus isn't on me to go and disprove the claim. i merely asked where they get that notion from. i'm waiting for an answer
but i'll play along, his DRPM grades out positively, slightly above Danny Green. he's also up there in defensive rating, defensive win shares, and grades positively in defensive box p/m (per bball reference). he also gets the eye-candy steal numbers with 2 per game
Last edited by spurraider21; 12-23-2014 at 08:24 PM.
“In my mind, we have a pretty good situation because Klay is so good guarding Chris Paul, for example, in the playoffs that it’s a great option,” Kerr said, referring to [Mark] Jackson’s tendency to put Thompson on the more dynamic point guards. “But certain matchups might go the other way, where we have to have Steph on the point guard. And we think that’s a perfectly viable option.” - A coach providing apologetics for Curry's defensive shortcomings
The onus is never on the person denying the positive assertion. It was said that Curry works hard on the defensive end. I disagreed. How can I prove Curry doesn't play a lick of defense? How can anyone prove a negative? You have to show he plays solid defense. James Harden also doesn't play a lick of defense but he has some steals.
nice out of context quote
"In my mind, we have a pretty good situation because Klay is so good guarding Chris Paul, for example, in the playoffs that it's a great option," Kerr said, referring to Jackson's tendency to put Thompson on the more dynamic point guards. "But certain matchups might go the other way, where we have to have Steph on the point guard. And we think that's a perfectly viable option."
plus that quote was taken in september before the season started
you made the claim... you have nothing to back that up
Since you want to edit...
I suppose Corey Joseph (#11 DRPM PG) is a better defensive PG than Chris Paul (#18 DRPM PG). Good job, I never knew.
2014-15 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards
RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM WAR 1 John Wall WSH 26 36.1 2.51 2.49 5.00 4.12 2 Stephen Curry GS 26 33.7 6.01 1.84 7.85 5.76 3 Elfrid Payton ORL 30 24.7 -2.05 1.42 -0.63 0.75 4 Rajon Rondo BOS/DAL 24 31.9 -1.40 1.34 -0.06 0.96 5 Damian Lillard POR 29 35.5 5.31 1.12 6.43 5.34 6 Eric Bledsoe PHX 29 32.8 0.89 0.94 1.83 2.42 7 Patrick Beverley HOU 15 33.6 0.37 0.72 1.09 0.96 8 Darren Collison SAC 25 34.8 2.85 0.68 3.53 2.92 9 Shaun Livingston GS 26 18.1 -1.82 0.66 -1.16 0.34 10 Pablo Prigioni NY 28 19.6 0.78 0.66 1.44 1.16 11 Michael Carter-Williams PHI 19 33.9 -1.89 0.65 -1.24 0.43 12 Cory Joseph SA 27 24.4 -0.20 0.47 0.27 0.99 13 Marcus Smart BOS 12 18.3 0.73 0.47 1.20 0.41 14 Kyle Lowry TOR 29 34.2 5.73 0.37 6.10 4.78 15 C.J. Watson IND 12 25.8 0.57 0.28 0.85 0.56 16 Steve Blake POR 29 21.9 0.27 0.12 0.39 1.04 17 Ricky Rubio MIN 5 28.8 1.39 0.12 1.51 0.36 18 Chris Paul LAC 28 34.7 5.72 0.11 5.83 4.81 19 Rodney Stuckey IND 21 25.8 -1.41 -0.03 -1.44 0.29 20 Mario Chalmers MIA 28 30.5 -1.25 -0.06 -1.31 0.51 21 Rajon Rondo BOS/DAL 24 31.9 -2.05 -0.09 -2.14 0.10 22 Jrue Holiday NO 27 34.2 3.51 -0.17 3.34 3.16 23 Avery Bradley BOS 24 30.4 -0.61 -0.18 -0.79 0.71 24 Mike Conley MEM 28 33.2 3.53 -0.32 3.21 2.91 25 Russell Westbrook OKC 14 31.2 4.92 -0.34 4.58 1.80 26 Jameer Nelson BOS/DAL 24 25.2 0.01 -0.35 -0.34 0.68 27 Jeff Teague ATL 24 31.3 1.41 -0.37 1.04 1.60 28 Shabazz Napier MIA 25 21.0 -1.18 -0.50 -1.68 0.21 29 Jameer Nelson BOS/DAL 24 25.2 -0.42 -0.51 -0.93 0.53 30 Greivis Vasquez TOR 29 20.9 -0.79 -0.51 -1.30 0.37 31 Derrick Rose CHI 17 27.5 1.17 -0.56 0.61 0.81 32 Jeremy Lin LAL 27 27.6 0.00 -0.66 -0.66 0.78 33 Norris Cole MIA 24 26.1 -0.56 -0.71 -1.27 0.38 34 Shelvin Mack ATL 24 14.5 -0.51 -0.74 -1.25 0.22 35 Dennis Schroder ATL 26 18.5 -0.03 -0.82 -0.85 0.40 36 Ronnie Price LAL 26 21.2 -0.39 -0.83 -1.22 0.36 37 Deron Williams BKN 25 34.5 1.73 -0.84 0.89 1.65 38 Nate Robinson DEN 24 13.3 -2.07 -0.97 -3.04 -0.13 39 Jerryd Bayless MIL 28 20.1 1.44 -1.00 0.44 0.95 40 Jarrett Jack BKN 26 25.5 -3.94 -1.01 -4.95 -
there's a reason i gave more than one stat. carlos boozer had some good years as far as defensive ratting goes. i gave virtually every defensive metric i could think of so i could paint a complete picture. you in the meantime provide nothing but empty claims
There's a reason the coach puts Klay on the "more dynamic" point guards.
would you prefer i make several consecutive posts? seems inefficient
so because klay is regarded as a very good defender, that means Curry is a very bad one? THAT's your argument? ok.
defense ain't an issue neither to Curry, not to the warriors team as a whole. It's just his selfish style of play at the offensive end that draws him the most criticism imho, he's Stephen "I wanna be Kobe" Curry, don't forget.
sometimes when you watch them Spurs play, DMC, you see someone else other than Tim Duncan guarding the opposing team's best big (Dirk, Aldridge etc...) but does it mean Splitter or Diaw is better defensively than Duncan, tbh?
DMC just destroying Philo ITT.
with what? out of context quotes and ty logic with no statistical evidence to back his claims? k
its basically him saying "curry is a bad defender because i say so"
Whoever says Curry doesn't play a lick of defense has clearly not watched enough Warriors games. He's obviously not a defensive stopper by any means but he's far from a liability, in fact he might even be above average on that end (for a PG nowadays).
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