Choose Leonard or Green?

[jermaine]

People here sleeps on Green's perimeter defense. His defense, hands, steals, etc are just as good as Leonard's. He hit the boards just as good as Leonard too. But his 3 ball is waaaay more deadly. An If we would've won against the Heat the yr before, Green had a very strong chance to be FMVP!

[rasuo214]

Green is a good player but the Heat showed what happens when they actually focused on defending him in Game 6. Even though he has a career high in points this season he still only has PER of 16.5. In comparison Kawhi was at 19+. From a WAR perspective Kawhi is top 20 (even though he has been out with injury, he was top 10 earlier), Green is just outside of top 30 (31).

That isn't to take anything away from Green because he is still a very important piece of the team (imo part of the defensive big 3 with Kawhi and TD) and he has made some very clutch 3s this season.

[kobyz]

Leonard/Green gonna be the new Parker/Manu fans feud...

[jermaine]

Leonard/Green gonna be the new Parker/Manu fans feud...

If that's so, it's cuz Pop treats them so differently. He's constantly praising Leonard, but in Green's ass an dosing his play.

[spurspokesman]

Finals mvp

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Both, because money isn't going to be an issue. Both Duncan and Manu's contract expire this year. Spurs are currently sitting about 7 million below the tax level. Spurs will have only 33mil tie up to contracts next year and the Cap should go up to 68mil next year and the Tax level will be around 81mil.

Spurs will have 48 mil to resign their players. Spurs will have more than enough to retain their players. And if Duncan and Manu retire, they will have enough to give a player like Gasol a max deal.

That is the reason the Spurs didn't sign a deal with Kawhi at this point.

[Raven]

Green is a good player but the Heat showed what happens when they actually focused on defending him in Game 6. Even though he has a career high in points this season he still only has PER of 16.5. In comparison Kawhi was at 19+. From a WAR perspective Kawhi is top 20 (even though he has been out with injury, he was top 10 earlier), Green is just outside of top 30 (31).

That isn't to take anything away from Green because he is still a very important piece of the team (imo part of the defensive big 3 with Kawhi and TD) and he has made some very clutch 3s this season.

that's because pop kept his minutes very low so far. Now that he is being fully unleashed, he is showing anyone the beast he is.

[Mr Bones]

I'd say both Green & Leonard benefit from being on a deep team where neither is the #1 priority of the opposing teams' defense. Even at their advanced ages, the Big 3 at any time they're on the floor are going to be the focus.

[DMC]

Both, because money isn't going to be an issue. Both Duncan and Manu's contract expire this year. Spurs are currently sitting about 7 million below the tax level. Spurs will have only 33mil tie up to contracts next year and the Cap should go up to 68mil next year and the Tax level will be around 81mil.

Spurs will have 48 mil to resign their players. Spurs will have more than enough to retain their players. And if Duncan and Manu retire, they will have enough to give a player like Gasol a max deal.

That is the reason the Spurs didn't sign a deal with Kawhi at this point.

Matty back for 15m tbh

[jermaine]

Both, because money isn't going to be an issue. Both Duncan and Manu's contract expire this year. Spurs are currently sitting about 7 million below the tax level. Spurs will have only 33mil tie up to contracts next year and the Cap should go up to 68mil next year and the Tax level will be around 81mil.

Spurs will have 48 mil to resign their players. Spurs will have more than enough to retain their players. And if Duncan and Manu retire, they will have enough to give a player like Gasol a max deal.

That is the reason the Spurs didn't sign a deal with Kawhi at this point.

Thanks.... I don't know or understand the whole money thing in the NBA.

[hater]

at the ppl clamoring Green is a product of the Spurs system, yet Kawhi is some sort of natural MVP that should get the max

[rasuo214]

at the ppl clamoring Green is a product of the Spurs system, yet Kawhi is some sort of natural MVP that should get the max

Did you get lost and post in the wrong thread?

[Malik Hairston]

Green is a good player but the Heat showed what happens when they actually focused on defending him in Game 6. Even though he has a career high in points this season he still only has PER of 16.5. In comparison Kawhi was at 19+. From a WAR perspective Kawhi is top 20 (even though he has been out with injury, he was top 10 earlier), Green is just outside of top 30 (31).

That isn't to take anything away from Green because he is still a very important piece of the team (imo part of the defensive big 3 with Kawhi and TD) and he has made some very clutch 3s this season.

Miami focusing on Green is the reason Duncan and Leonard were allowed to play 1 on 1 with no defensive help in games 6 and 7, tbh..

Tim was ordinary during the first 5 games of the series, but completely dominated after the Heat switched their defense to keep somebody on Green at all times..it opened up the floor for the entire team, obviously..Duncan vs. Bosh with a spaced-out floor was a huge mismatch for the Spurs..

Players like Green, Korver, etc open up the entire offense for their supporting cast, simply by having the opposing team keep a defender on them at all times..scoring in a 4 vs. 4 setting is much easier than scoring 5 vs. 5..

[rasuo214]

Miami focusing on Green is the reason Duncan and Leonard were allowed to play 1 on 1 with no defensive help in games 6 and 7, tbh..

Tim was ordinary during the first 5 games of the series, but completely dominated after the Heat switched their defense to keep somebody on Green at all times..it opened up the floor for the entire team, obviously..Duncan vs. Bosh with a spaced-out floor was a huge mismatch for the Spurs..

Players like Green, Korver, etc open up the entire offense for their supporting cast, simply by having the opposing team keep a defender on them at all times..scoring in a 4 vs. 4 setting is much easier than scoring 5 vs. 5..

Well that sort of goes both ways, Green was open (same thing with Neal) because Miami focused on Duncan, Parker and Kawhi. Green making shots made them change their focus.

[elemento]

Both, money won't be an issue at all

[hater]

Did you get lost and post in the wrong thread?

It's s spurstalk I think most of us have the brainpower to be able to quote other threads

[moisaenz]

Green will take a reasonable offer. Kawhi might not...

[wildchild]

I'd say both Green & Leonard benefit from being on a deep team where neither is the #1 priority of the opposing teams' defense. Even at their advanced ages, the Big 3 at any time they're on the floor are going to be the focus.

Well, this doesn't explain why Leonard played well being the #1 and scored +20 every game without the Big 3

[DMC]

Neither Leonard or Green are naturally that great. They are both coachable and we've seen their improvement real time, unlike role players on other teams that never seem to get any better but should based on scouting reports.

Spurs put Avery Johnson and Jacques Vaughn as head coaches of NBA teams. Those are two people who couldn't coach a dog to sit. Then they have Brett Brown and Coach Bud (his name be praised) leading two other teams. Why is that? Because the Spurs have a culture of WINNING. Every person associated with it who contributes in a positive way is going to be seen as a winner, but we often see they don't fare well outside of the Spurs culture. How did Jax do? How about George Hill? Sure he's starting, but he sucks. He shouldn't be starting, but he is because he was a Spur. Gary Neal still has a job I think. DeJuan Blair got two jobs after SA and sucked in both. He sucked here too but people wanted him because he was on a winning team, in a winning system. For that reason, people will overvalue Green and Leonard. Neither would do real well outside the Spurs culture (I hesitate to call it a system because a lot more is needed than just a playbook). Green was a goner and Leonard would be probably playing a smaller role on a nowhere team, still having no real outside shot and only being a defender.

We should stop overrating players and focus on the team aspect of the Spurs. I get why people do it though, player loving gots.

[wildchild]

Leonard would improve every team's NBA le chances.

Despite what jermaine said, he can create his own shot.
Kawhi scored many baskets without the benefit of an assist last playoffs/this season, he's an all around player and added new weapons to his arsenal every season.

He was battling with his vision issues and trying to adapt his shot but had good ofensive games this season, better than these two games but I like the vids, he was able to generate high-percentage shots for himself unassisted, some tough shots but a good selection.

[wildchild]

Kawhi's more than product of system...

[DMC]

Leonard would improve every team's NBA le chances.

Despite what jermaine said, he can create his own shot.
Kawhi scored many baskets without the benefit of an assist last playoffs/this season, he's an all around player and added new weapons to his arsenal every season.

He was battling with his vision issues and trying to adapt his shot but had good ofensive games this season, better than these two games but I like the vids, he was able to generate high-percentage shots for himself unassisted, some tough shots but a good selection.

Nothing in those videos or in your text illustrates that Kawhi would be able to prosper on another team. There's nothing wrong with being a beneficiary of a system, not everyone fits and very few fit as well as Leonard has. Manu could play anywhere, still, so could Tim, so could Tony. Leonard would be playing but he'd not be a focus on offense because it wasn't his strong suit when he came in and most teams don't develop for . Even now they wouldn't develop him, he'd just have to work at it himself. They want people like him to make their superstar look better, few teams want to make someone like Leonard into a star because he's not very marketable.

[wildchild]

Nothing in those videos or in your text illustrates that Kawhi would be able to prosper on another team.

Kawhi has the whole package to play on any other team.
His games have shown his mid J, 3's, post-up game, great fast break finisher, passing skills, cluth play, he's a really versatile scorer. More rebounds, steals, elite defense...
He can play only a small role on other teams? I seriously doubt it.

But agree with you, non marketable players on big market teams become stars just for playing in those cities. Leonard could be one of those guys next season or in 2017...we'll see.

[Chinook]

Green is a good player but the Heat showed what happens when they actually focused on defending him in Game 6. Even though he has a career high in points this season he still only has PER of 16.5. In comparison Kawhi was at 19+. From a WAR perspective Kawhi is top 20 (even though he has been out with injury, he was top 10 earlier), Green is just outside of top 30 (31).

That isn't to take anything away from Green because he is still a very important piece of the team (imo part of the defensive big 3 with Kawhi and TD) and he has made some very clutch 3s this season.

Did last year's Finals not happen in your book?

Anyway, 3-and-D guys will always have a hard time getting good PERs and win-shares. Green doesn't assist a lot and he's only an above-average rebounder from his position. Neither of those stats measure his impact really. He's leading the team in VORP, which does a lot more to measure team impact. He's actually 14th in the league in that stat. People have no idea how big Danny has been this year. He's carried them in too many games so far.

[hater]

Did last year's Finals not happen in your book?

Anyway, 3-and-D guys will always have a hard time getting good PERs and win-shares. Green doesn't assist a lot and he's only an above-average rebounder from his position. Neither of those stats measure his impact really. He's leading the team in VORP, which does a lot more to measure team impact. He's actually 14th in the league in that stat. People have no idea how big Danny has been this year. He's carried them in too many games so far.

to be fair, Evita threw about 3 games where Green was playing at allstar level. Had we won those games, Green's stock would be at an all time high in the media and public and peeps would be calling Green the spurs MVP imo

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