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    I would be pumped if kawhi leaves the spurs tbh.

    His value and overall contribution to the team is diminished because of the Big 3 narrative.

    Mixed feelings..happy and sad i guess, but I wouldn't mind seeing Leonard in a different team. He really doesn't deserve the lack of recognition he gets because of the old big 3 and pop narrative.

    Green to a lesser extent as well..
    If he leaves will you stop using this account?

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    I really don't believe kawai is as hurt as popovich wants us to believe, but that's just my opinion.

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    Kawhi might be injured but I think he could play. Pop likes to play things conservatively though, maybe he is hoping some rest will help things out. Still an injured Kawhi is vastly better than the alternative.

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    Why always bring it back to Parker vs Ginobili vs Leonard blah blah blah? The fact is Leonard is one of those athletes who seems to have nagging injury problems. Doesn't mean he can't be a great player anyway, but it is a factor.

    One of the things that was so incredible about Jordan was his durability. The guy played huge minutes and just seemed to be immune to ankle sprains, hamstring issues etc.

    I've been watching the NBA now for 30 years and one thing I will say is-- young players who are already having knee issues is a bad thing. Think Brandon Roy. It's one thing to tear an ACL and have a successful surgery. But when you're having recurring issues and meniscus tears that have to be repaired, that just doesn't go away.

    I like Leonard and he's a great talent, but he just seems like one of those players who has a ? when it comes to long term durability.
    Once again, Kawhi has had NO REAL knee problems. He's had no issues with ligaments or more importantly, cartilage. What he had is mis-termed "jumper's knee" but it's really just quadriceps tendinitis.

    What Kawhi DOES have are huge hands that will easily snag on uniform pants or jerseys, jam, or get hit.

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    I really don't believe kawai is as hurt as popovich wants us to believe, but that's just my opinion.
    Thanks for letting us know that, I was starting to wonder if you were Kawhi.

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    Agreed. No reason to suck this guy's . Good thing the Spurs didn't give into that max request. What kind of eye infection lasts months like that? musta gotten some eye herpes or something.
    You usually don't need a reason to suck a guy's , why the sudden change?

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    Uh, burn?

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    I would be pumped if kawhi leaves the spurs tbh.

    His value and overall contribution to the team is diminished because of the Big 3 narrative.

    Mixed feelings..happy and sad i guess, but I wouldn't mind seeing Leonard in a different team. He really doesn't deserve the lack of recognition he gets because of the old big 3 and pop narrative.

    Green to a lesser extent as well..
    So you would put your own selfish needs ahead of the teams. You just lack the fundamental understanding of a "team" oriented concept that's worked for years in San Antonio. Without it, the Spurs wouldn't have their fifth. Sure, Leonard would put up better numbers elsewhere but, his team wouldn't sniff a championship. How many championships did Marion win with Phoenix, tbh? Btw, he's third and just % points behind Duncan and Parker in FGM and FGA so it's not like he doesn't get shots within the offense.

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    So you would put your own selfish needs ahead of the teams. You just lack the fundamental understanding of a "team" oriented concept that's worked for years in San Antonio. Without it, the Spurs wouldn't have their fifth. Sure, Leonard would put up better numbers elsewhere but, his team wouldn't sniff a championship. How many championships did Marion win with Phoenix, tbh? Btw, he's third and just % points behind Duncan and Parker in FGM and FGA so it's not like he doesn't get shots within the offense.
    The spurs aren't sniffing a championship without kawhi, Vice versa my friend. Kawhi is our 2nd best player right now. I could careless how many points he scores.

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    I would be pumped if kawhi leaves the spurs tbh.

    His value and overall contribution to the team is diminished because of the Big 3 narrative.

    Mixed feelings..happy and sad i guess, but I wouldn't mind seeing Leonard in a different team. He really doesn't deserve the lack of recognition he gets because of the old big 3 and pop narrative.

    Green to a lesser extent as well..
    One of those Lin got clones. Following their god everywhere.

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    One of those Lin got clones. Following their god everywhere.

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    The spurs aren't sniffing a championship without kawhi, Vice versa my friend. Kawhi is our 2nd best player right now. I could careless how many points he scores.
    They aren't sniffing a championship without TP, Manu, Duncan, green or Splitter, vice versa my friend. The rest you misinterpreted.

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    Duncan only. Everyone else is replaceable. Nice try though.

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    I would be pumped if kawhi leaves the spurs tbh.

    His value and overall contribution to the team is diminished because of the Big 3 narrative.

    Mixed feelings..happy and sad i guess, but I wouldn't mind seeing Leonard in a different team. He really doesn't deserve the lack of recognition he gets because of the old big 3 and pop narrative.

    Green to a lesser extent as well..
    Damn now I kind of hope he leaves

    Follow him and his team who won't make the playoffs because their only max player is inconsistent and will miss 1/4th - 1/3rd of every season

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    hope he leaves...max player is inconsistent and will miss 1/4th - 1/3rd of every season
    Well, he has been very consistent and healthy every playoffs round, and if he signs with a WC team we'll see the best of him against us.

    I know, you can't wait to see Kawhi guarding our perimeter players but don't be impatient, next season your dreams will come true.

    Just to avoid any unpleasant surprises in the future, be careful what you wish for...

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    Well, he has been very consistent and healthy every playoffs round, and if he signs with a WC team we'll see the best of him against us.

    I know, you can't wait to see Kawhi guarding our perimeter players but don't be impatient, next season your dreams will come true.

    Just to avoid any unpleasant surprises in the future, be careful what you wish for...
    would love to see Kawhi busting on these "Big 3" fans...

    The fact that they think, kawhi, the most valuable player in the team is replaceable..What a disgrace.

    A player should never play for a team that doesn't appreciate him.

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    A player should never play for a team that doesn't appreciate him.
    The things are not so simple...but I agree with you.

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    The things are not so simple...but I agree with you.
    He's no Tim Duncan. And that's a fact. Kawhi gonna be looking for help once he leaves the greatest organzintion in modern sports. I hope he stays but Kawhi at this point is very overrated.

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    He's no Tim Duncan. And that's a fact. Kawhi gonna be looking for help once he leaves the greatest organzintion in modern sports. I hope he stays but Kawhi at this point is very overrated.
    I'm not sure...we don't know how the Spurs will look after Tim/Manu/Pop are gone but Kawhi will still be a great player.

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    I'm not sure...we don't know how the Spurs will look after Tim/Manu/Pop are gone but Kawhi will still be a great player.
    No he won't. He's a good player now, not a great one. He's had great games, but by and large he's not as effective on both ends as someone who you'd consider a great player. He hasn't earned the great player award yet, unless you consider the FMVP to be a great player award. If so, Chauncey Billups was a great player. He's no slouch, great on defense and can play offense pretty damn well, but there are only a few great players in the league. He might become better, but not without Pop and the culture in SA. Do you think McHale would make him better? How about Byron Scott? Would playing along side Kobe improve Kawhi's game?

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    No he won't. He's a good player now, not a great one. He's had great games, but by and large he's not as effective on both ends as someone who you'd consider a great player. He hasn't earned the great player award yet, unless you consider the FMVP to be a great player award. If so, Chauncey Billups was a great player. He's no slouch, great on defense and can play offense pretty damn well, but there are only a few great players in the league. He might become better, but not without Pop and the culture in SA. Do you think McHale would make him better? How about Byron Scott? Would playing along side Kobe improve Kawhi's game?
    Like I said, Kawhi would improve every team's le chances and he can play successfully at high level on any NBA team.

    Even this season battling with blurry vision and trying to adapt his shot, he shown what he is capable of doing and his absence emphasizes his importance on the team.

    However, if Parsons had a good season with McHale and Nick Young with Byron Scott now...why not Kawhi, who is a way better than those two guys?

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    Like I said, Kawhi would improve every team's le chances and he can play successfully at high level on any NBA team.
    That's your opinion with nothing to support it except videos of him playing with the Spurs. He went 15th overall for a reason.
    Even this season battling with blurry vision and trying to adapt his shot, he shown what he is capable of doing and his absence emphasizes his importance on the team.
    THIS team. That's because THIS team relies on team basketball and he's the best defender on the team. He'd do ok on other teams, wouldn't make anyone else a le contender that's not one already.
    However, if Parsons had a good season with McHale and Nick Young with Byron Scott now...why not Kawhi, who is a way better than those two guys?
    Having a good season and transforming a team are different things. What's Leonard's PPG now? If you make him the focal point on offense, teams will double him. he'll have to pass. He doesn't have the moves to create space and get his own shot. He's done it, but so have a lot of people who aren't shot creators. He might one day have it, but his handles are suspect. That makes him a perimeter defender, a rebounder and a "rover" of sorts who can get you some points while the other team isn't looking.

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    That's your opinion with nothing to support it except videos of him playing with the Spurs. He went 15th overall for a reason.
    Rondo #21, Marc Gasol #48, Boozer #34, David Lee #30...

    THIS team. That's because THIS team relies on team basketball and he's the best defender on the team. He'd do ok on other teams, wouldn't make anyone else a le contender that's not one already.
    Well, a lot of teams would improve dramatically with him...how will look Pels, Nets, even Memphis or Clippers with him instead of Barnes?

    Having a good season and transforming a team are different things. What's Leonard's PPG now? If you make him the focal point on offense, teams will double him. he'll have to pass. He doesn't have the moves to create space and get his own shot. He's done it, but so have a lot of people who aren't shot creators. He might one day have it, but his handles are suspect. That makes him a perimeter defender, a rebounder and a "rover" of sorts who can get you some points while the other team isn't looking.
    You said Kawhi can't improve on other team or play only a small role, but he was the focal point on offense in games without the Big 3 and scored +20...
    He'll have to pass? Playing in the post he recognizes the double-team approaching and passes the ball so well because he has improved a lot his playmaker skills this season.

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    Where you're drafted doesn't really matter (how many #2 overall guys have been total busts?).

    You have nothing to base your assumption on how Kawhi would do on other teams.

    You don't need to lead your team in PPG to have a large impact on a team.


    Kawhi's defense is a very valuable asset and really that alone makes him a good player, anything above average on the offensive end makes him a great player. Saying Kawhi won't improve outside of the Spurs completely contradicts his entire basketball career (going back to HS), the guy works his ass off to improve. He has a great work ethic and is extremely coachable (a coach's dream player).


    Just curious would you also apply similar arguments for TD, Manu and TP?


    EDIT: Responding to DMC

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    Rondo #21, Marc Gasol #48, Boozer #34, David Lee #30...


    Well, a lot of teams would improve dramatically with him...how will look Pels, Nets, even Memphis or Clippers with him instead of Barnes?


    You said Kawhi can't improve on other team or play only a small role, but he was the focal point on offense in games without the Big 3 and scored +20...
    He'll have to pass? Playing in the post he recognizes the double-team approaching and passes the ball so well because he has improved a lot his playmaker skills this season.
    I don't agree with dmc on his point about draft position but Rondo,Lee,boozer is a terrible rebuttal.

    You listed a bunch of teams that can't add a max contract to their roster. How good those teams would be is meaningless. They already have all-star talent and most of them already have a player that most would consider is better than kawhi.

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