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He's plenty athletic and didn't get drafted.
Lets look at winshares. If I weight the rebounds much higher, all the bigs get higher winshares, If I weight points much higher, all the scorers like kobe get higher winshares.
There is a balance when someone makes these stats. The creator is pretty much estimating and guessing when someone makes a stat like this.
It is up to the people to use it as a barometer but not to be an end to all stats.
And any stat you use or methology you come up with is pretty much biased.
He's plenty athletic and didn't get drafted.
He's probably not a very good basketball player. Bruce wasn't either until he found his niche with the Spurs.
Those are advanced metrics. A stat like PPP isn't based on a formula. It's like saying that points are a biased stat.
You're right on win-shares, as it tends to overrate rebounding. However, I asked you to explain how the stats are biased, not how they could possibly be. I doubt you knew why win-shares are biased and why I tend to ignore them when not comparing bigs.
True. No one's arguing that. But he was a better athlete in his young than Danny is.
Tell me what you use to evaluate a player and I'll tell you why it's trash.
Wins/losses.
Based on what? Ran faster, jumped higher? I think Bruce never had the long arms Danny has. For the kind of work they do on the defensive end, I think that's a pretty important difference. And I'm glad Danny know how to use them.
You use win/losses to evaluate a player?
Just win/loses? Because you also need to take into account hundred other factors(team avg record, injury to opposing teams/actual team, back to backs, amount of games played in certain periods)
before you can truly evaluate a player. Any method you take from there will be biased.
Why do you keep acting like Bruce has short arms? From what I'm reading, his wingspan is like seven feet, which would be longer than Danny's 6-11.
Points in the paint allowed?
I'm not going to go through all the stats.
I can't find Bruce measurements on wingspan (I tried), other than 'great wingspan' comments. Maybe it's the lasting image of Bruce in his last few years, but he definitely did not have the hops or reach Danny has.
Why not? Your whole thing is gonna just be "it's complicated"? Or do you assume I used one thing when looking at players? This whole line of reasoning is flawed on your part. You don't use stats to evaluate players. You use them to catalog certain events. Like it's a fact that the Spurs have had a greater point differential when Bonner is on the floor. There's no bias there. The bias can only come from the interpreter.I'm not going to go through all the stats.
Not when he was with the Spurs, no. When he was in France, yes.
I don't think he did.
LMAO ya s sound like a bunch of nerds. who cares who was more athletic at their youth. Bonner was a dunk champ too. Guess what, NBA Bonner is a damn greaseball, NBA Bowen couldn't hang.
NBA Green can hang with the highest flyers. It's no surprise Green has 202 total blocks in his 6 years in the league. Compare that to Bowen's total 303 blocks in 15+ years in the league
come on now
Pop brought out DG's strengths and even DG know it. I know Spurs will do the right thing as we all know they will. DG + KL + PM + CJ + TS = future
We are just missing a real PF. Now that will be most difficult.
Green with his middle school handles on display tonight.
Diaw too tbh
Evita and Patty and Duncan too tbqh
Patty has an excuse. He's rusty.
I dont even ... you dont remember Bruce's entire stint with the Spurs is what seems painfully obvious to me.
Youre still comparing two players' accomplishments made TOGETHER in one series with one player's career accomplishments over his entire career. Youre just being absurdly biased anf not making any sense.You're talking about one-one-one D. LnL didn't tag-team one guy. They took out multiple stars at the same time. It wasn't like they were working together for the most part. They are both just elite at what they do.
The more you describe the same absurdly disproportional situation, the more biased you appear. Post after post, you continue to dance around the fact you are comparing the contributions of two players in one playoff run to ONE player in several playoff runs. It is just strange and im not gonna waste any more time arguing this deeply flawed angle with you.Not in the way you're implying. They checked their own guys Splitter helped LnL with Duncan as the anchor. Prime Tim helped Bowen. The biggest help LnL give each other is switching screens.
If you really think Danny and Kawhi dont help eachother IMMENSELY on d, umm ok be my guest. Calling other people's opinions bad just to derail the thread and make it about yourself reeks of attention whoring, anyway. You think you can tell people they're wrong about shutting superstars down mentally being important because YOU say so, well I say you dont know nearly as much as you think you do. Stats, including advanced stats, AID the eyetest. And yes i truly do find this misinformed concept of "These guys PROVE IN ONE SERIES you can completely shut down a star player these days" as a testament to you being out of touch with reality. Give the Spurs SYSTEM its due, instead of these individual players with only a couple seasons of being bonafide le level defensive stalwarts under their belts. Your entire perspective really sounds like you havent been watching basketball for that long.
Last edited by z0sa; 12-31-2014 at 02:45 AM.
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Yeah, he's getting the maximum power kick from Pop out of the A&T stadium door.
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