You Guys Are Tied For The 8th Seed

[Ice009]

My point exactly. It's much more difficult to win back to back than it is to win every couple of years. Winning back to back means you dominated the league even when teams were made specifically to beat you. Duncan has yet to prove he can do this. The spurs have longevity and have been consistently good; good enough to win 5 les when the compe ion was weak that year. However, they (including Duncan) have never really dominated the league. Repeating proves you can do this.

Shut the up head.

Are you even a Spurs fan? If not, change your team name to whatever ass team you do go for.

Tim Duncan is a top 5 player of all time. Winning it last season put him there. Even if he didn't, in 2013 he more than did enough, but his teammates let him down.

Take away a couple of miracle plays, the Spurs could have 5 peated or at the very least 3 peated during the 2003-2007 seasons. Spurs were dominant during that stretch. The last three years they've also been great. Very easily could have won 2, or even possibly 3 if not for that screw job in 2012 against OKC. That's two dominant runs, dip . Not some fluke bull like you're talking about.

Jordan never would have gotten those ridiculous calls the Spurs get against them when playing teams like OKC, so I don't give a about Jordan at all. In general, in those same situations he would had favorable officiating.

[DMC]

Howard and Pau are not HOF'ers, you idiot. Pau may sneak in because he's white, but its still a crap shoot.

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Min 400 G ▪ Method

Rank	Player	HoF Prob
1.	Kobe Bryant	1.0000
2.	Tim Duncan	1.0000
3.	Kevin Garnett	1.0000
4.	LeBron James	1.0000
5.	Dirk Nowitzki	0.9999
6.	Dwyane Wade	0.9998
7.	Ray Allen	0.9987
8.	Chris Paul	0.9985
9.	Paul Pierce	0.9974
10.	Dwight Howard	0.9893
11.	Steve Nash	0.9829
12.	Chris Bosh	0.9629
13.	Kevin Durant	0.9517
14.	Vince Carter	0.9455
15.	Tony Parker	0.9386
16.	Shawn Marion	0.7559
17.	Amar'e Stoudemire	0.7293
18.	Carmelo Anthony	0.7144
19.	Pau Gasol	0.5561

[Aremid]

Shut the up head.

Are you even a Spurs fan? If not, change your team name to whatever ass team you do go for.

Tim Duncan is a top 5 player of all time. Winning it last season put him there. Even if he didn't, in 2013 he more than did enough, but his teammates let him down.

Take away a couple of miracle plays, the Spurs could have 5 peated or at the very least 3 peated during the 2003-2007 seasons. Spurs were dominant during that stretch. The last three years they've also been great. Very easily could have won 2, or even possibly 3 if not for that screw job in 2012 against OKC. That's two dominant runs, dip . Not some fluke bull like you're talking about.

Jordan never would have gotten those ridiculous calls the Spurs get against them when playing teams like OKC, so I don't give a about Jordan at all. In general, in those same situations he would had favorable officiating.

thanks for arguing my point jackass. If the spurs were truly a dominant team (like the 90s bulls, 01 lakers), then their losses in those years wouldn't have come down to a lucky shot or a bad call.

[Ice009]

thanks for arguing my point jackass. If the spurs were truly a dominant team (like the 90s bulls, 01 lakers), then their losses in those years wouldn't have come down to a lucky shot or a bad call.

All those teams had luck. Don't be a wit.

2000 Lakers got a choke job from Portland in game 7, didn't have to play the Spurs with Tim Duncan healthy in the playoffs. Let's not talk about the 2002 season with the Kings getting screwed royally, still, despite all that horrid officiating, they still had a chance to win in game 7, but choked at the FT line. They Lakers are lucky to have won even 1 Championship during that run.

This game can be played all day, but I'm not wasting anymore time with haters.

[Mr Bones]

My point exactly. It's much more difficult to win back to back than it is to win every couple of years. Winning back to back means you dominated the league even when teams were made specifically to beat you. Duncan has yet to prove he can do this. The spurs have longevity and have been consistently good; good enough to win 5 les when the compe ion was weak that year. However, they (including Duncan) have never really dominated the league. Repeating proves you can do this.

Again, you're just in love with this arbitrary theory that back to backs are "more meaningful." It's arbitrary. Duncan's Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any professional American sports team and 5 championships over a 15 period. It's absurd to argue that those facts aren't more relevant. According to your theory, if the Spurs had won only four championships in 15 years but those championships came in '03, '04, '13, and '14, that would "prove" that Duncan's a top 5 GOAT, but since he won 5 championships in '99, '03, '05, '07, and '14 that somehow "proves" he isn't. It's nonsensical.

[z0sa]

disagree. Repeating puts Duncan

Lol using a subjective relatively meaningless ranking to "disprove" my statement

[TampaDude]

Again, you're just in love with this arbitrary theory that back to backs are "more meaningful." It's arbitrary. Duncan's Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any professional American sports team and 5 championships over a 15 period. It's absurd to argue that those facts aren't more relevant. According to your theory, if the Spurs had won only four championships in 15 years but those championships came in '03, '04, '13, and '14, that would "prove" that Duncan's a top 5 GOAT, but since he won 5 championships in ''99, '03, '05, '07, and '14 that somehow "proves" he isn't. It's nonsensical.

Exactly.

[Mikeanaro]

Shut the up head.

Are you even a Spurs fan? If not, change your team name to whatever ass team you do go for.

Tim Duncan is a top 5 player of all time. Winning it last season put him there. Even if he didn't, in 2013 he more than did enough, but his teammates let him down.

Take away a couple of miracle plays, the Spurs could have 5 peated or at the very least 3 peated during the 2003-2007 seasons. Spurs were dominant during that stretch. The last three years they've also been great. Very easily could have won 2, or even possibly 3 if not for that screw job in 2012 against OKC. That's two dominant runs, dip . Not some fluke bull like you're talking about.

Jordan never would have gotten those ridiculous calls the Spurs get against them when playing teams like OKC, so I don't give a about Jordan at all. In general, in those same situations he would had favorable officiating.

Thats right, big market teams never get bad calls against them so they have the repeat at disposal. Dont take Aremid too seriously dude has a brain hemorrhoid, that idiot is not a Spur fan and has not even said a word about the december schedule and the horrible calls that decided at least 3 games against us. I dont care if Spurs repeat because they have already did it in 2013-2014.

[Mikeanaro]

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Min 400 G ▪ Method

Rank	Player	HoF Prob
1.	Kobe Bryant	1.0000
2.	Tim Duncan	1.0000
3.	Kevin Garnett	1.0000
4.	LeBron James	1.0000
5.	Dirk Nowitzki	0.9999
6.	Dwyane Wade	0.9998
7.	Ray Allen	0.9987
8.	Chris Paul	0.9985
9.	Paul Pierce	0.9974
10.	Dwight Howard	0.9893
11.	Steve Nash	0.9829
12.	Chris Bosh	0.9629
13.	Kevin Durant	0.9517
14.	Vince Carter	0.9455
15.	Tony Parker	0.9386
16.	Shawn Marion	0.7559
17.	Amar'e Stoudemire	0.7293
18.	Carmelo Anthony	0.7144
19.	Pau Gasol	0.5561

That list cant be serious, you are saying Manu is not even top 20? Dwert? excepting the dunks and some chuckles between plays he has not made in 12 years, Stoudemire? Fatmelo???

[le13]

Apalisoc....leave and support clippers please....

[jARS mEsH sEt]

So if the ball had bounced of the rim at a slightly different angle late in game 6 of the 2013 finals, Duncan is-- to your way of thinking-- top 5 goat, but since it didn't, he isn't? That seems like a pretty silly way to evaluate a 15+ year career. It's total body of work that matters, not one arbitrary stat. Looking at the total picture takes a little more work, but gives the more accurate picture.

Good post.

[Buddy Mignon]

Again, you're just in love with this arbitrary theory that back to backs are "more meaningful." It's arbitrary. Duncan's Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any professional American sports team and 5 championships over a 15 period. It's absurd to argue that those facts aren't more relevant. According to your theory, if the Spurs had won only four championships in 15 years but those championships came in '03, '04, '13, and '14, that would "prove" that Duncan's a top 5 GOAT, but since he won 5 championships in '99, '03, '05, '07, and '14 that somehow "proves" he isn't. It's nonsensical.

Not only are they more meaningful, but extremely hard to do. You guys have had the most consistent team for the past 17 years and couldn't pull off that feat of defending your le. The fact that Kobe went through Jim to not only defend his le, but chase Jordan down in the process is nothing short of amazing. What's even more impressive is that 8 of those years he played with Shaq who was trying to chase down Wilt. He failed and was run out of town, but he was trying. Kobe's road was much more difficult, yet he accomplished more.

[Ice009]

Not only are they more meaningful, but extremely hard to do. You guys have had the most consistent team for the past 17 years and couldn't pull off that feat of defending your le. The fact that Kobe went through Jim to not only defend his le, but chase Jordan down in the process is nothing short of amazing. What's even more impressive is that 8 of those years he played with Shaq who was trying to chase down Wilt. He failed and was run out of town, but he was trying. Kobe's road was much more difficult, yet he accomplished more.

Kobe did not accomplish more, not individually or team wise. He accomplished less.

PPG is the only area where he's ahead and that's because he both jacked up more shots than anyone else and also missed more shots than anyone else.

You're a re ed poster.

[Buddy Mignon]

Kobe did not accomplish more, not individually or team wise. He accomplished less.

PPG is the only area where he's ahead and that's because he both jacked up more shots than anyone else and also missed more shots than anyone else.

You're a re ed poster.

More steals... more asissts... more gold medals... more all-star mvp's... more all-nba teams... more player of the weeks... more player of the months... more finals appearances... and more pussy. Head to head Kobe destroys Jim with and without Shaq.

[Legacy]

Guys, seriously, just ignore these Laker fans. They're just miserable because their franchise is in shambles and are grasping at anything they can to diminish TD and The Spurs to feel better about themselves and their fragile egos. They have no idea how pathetic they sound. This is just typical Laker fan mentality... the rest of real NBA fans could give a flying about this "repeating theory." 5 championships is 5 championships no matter what. Also LMFAO again @ Kobe missing b2b playoffs. They have nothing to say about that. They are just plain ing sad. Nobody gives a about Kobe and the ty Lakers right now. ing attention s have nothing better to do with their lives. PA-THE-TIC.

[mkurts]

This is a Spurs forum.... others can STFU and go suck their doggie s

[Diego20]

More steals... more asissts... more gold medals... more all-star mvp's... more all-nba teams... more player of the weeks... more player of the months... more finals appearances... and more pussy. Head to head Kobe destroys Jim with and without Shaq.

More missed shots, it's all said. Nobody can compete with that. /thread

[Harry Callahan]

More missed shots, it's all said. Nobody can compete with that. /thread

Lakers also have more lottery teams in the Kobe "era". Funny how the Laker D-Bag fans don't mention that.....

[George Gervin's Afro]

so you're saying there's a chance!

[jsandiego]

If anything, repeating as a champ is riding the wave of your current roster. Isn't it harder to win, be knocked off the mountain, and get back up again to the top?

It is more rare to become champ, retool, and become champ again, than it is to repeat. The Spurs have done it 5 times. And as far as repeating goes, we had a 20 game win streak broken in the WCF in 2012, a freak occurrence in 2013, and rang in 2014. In 2000-2002, the Lakers had all the luck go their way, including Game 7 debacles in Portland and Sacramento, and got 3 in a row. From 2003-2007, if luck went our way, we could've won 5 les in a row, and another 2-4 in this recent stretch.

Duncan and the Spurs' body of work is amazing and unparalleled in NBA history.

[taps]

I agree about Spurs but ppl are glossing over the '01 Lakers who went 15-1 in the Postseason plus an 11 game PO win streak (or somewhere around there) as if it was fluke. There was no luck about it Shaq Daddy bounced the whole league that year.

[Aremid]

I agree about Spurs but ppl are glossing over the '01 Lakers who went 15-1 in the Postseason plus an 11 game PO win streak (or somewhere around there) as if it was fluke. There was no luck about it Shaq Daddy bounced the whole league that year.

Exactly, proving that the year before wasn't a fluke. Sure Portland choked and td sat out, but they demolished those teams the following year proving their le in 00 was legit. Have the spurs ever done this?

[hater]

Repeats are overrated tbh. 5 les in 15 years even 1 for the pinky finger

yes


We the champs baby!

[Buddy Mignon]

If anything, repeating as a champ is riding the wave of your current roster. Isn't it harder to win, be knocked off the mountain, and get back up again to the top?

It is more rare to become champ, retool, and become champ again, than it is to repeat. The Spurs have done it 5 times. And as far as repeating goes, we had a 20 game win streak broken in the WCF in 2012, a freak occurrence in 2013, and rang in 2014. In 2000-2002, the Lakers had all the luck go their way, including Game 7 debacles in Portland and Sacramento, and got 3 in a row. From 2003-2007, if luck went our way, we could've won 5 les in a row, and another 2-4 in this recent stretch.

Duncan and the Spurs' body of work is amazing and unparalleled in NBA history.

You're more delusional than a nutjob. Everything the Spurs have done is amazing but the Lakers are full of luck. Grow up son. Plenty of teams retool in sports, but few defend their le... let alone do it twice in an era. In fact, only 3 teams have defended their le twice in an era... Lakers... Celtics... Bulls... and Lakers again. Only three teams have 3-peated. Not defending your le when you have the same coach and same players shows a lack of dominance... and weakness. When you're the champ every team brings their best against you and the Spurs have failed miserably when they have been champs. There is no argument here who has had the better career and been the better team over the last 15 years. Kobe's Lakers have beat Jim's Spurs head to head more and have gone to the finals more. How you view that as less success just shows how stupid you are. I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of re s on this site.

[RD2191]

According to Sasuke Uchiha, if a Sharingan user unlocks two Mangekyō Sharingan powers, one in each eye, known as the "Double Mangekyō" (ダブル万華鏡, Daburu Mangekyō), it gives access to the third power, Susanoo.^[2] Nevertheless, for a Sharingan user to activate Susanoo, according to Obito Uchiha, is a rarity.^[3] Since it is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra, its abilities, appearance and colour vary among individuals. The user is able to freely move around within Susanoo's body as well as levitate inside of it,^[4] and can also leave its body entirely while maintaining it.^[5] It is also possible for others to enter Susanoo when allowed by the user.^[6] While Susanoo acts as a defence against external attacks, anything coming out of its body will simply phase through it.^[7][8] Susanoo can also be easily reformed in the event it is oblierated by a powerful attack, provided it protected the user from being massively injured and they're still physically capable of reforming it.

Several users of this technique have demonstrated the ability to activate and maintain Susanoo without having their Mangekyō Sharingan active,^[9][10][11] or even their regular Sharingan.^[12] Madara was able to use this technique even without having any eyes.^[13]