Lakers: Byron Scott's strategy on not to foul--Kobe disobeys and shows balls

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Byron Scott isn't at fault. Kobe is at fault. Rin is the PG who's defending the point, and he's following the orders of the head coach. Kobe doesn't get to just step in and usurp that because he feels like it. If Scott is an idiot, let his record reflect that. A coach has the power to fail if he makes bad decisions. If he's to be blamed, it should be by his superiors, not by his subordinates.

as if Kobe is subordinate to some hasbeen roleplayer who thinks he's a coach

pretty clear what's going on here. Management has given the internal tank order and Kirbs is not onboard. Can't blame him for that

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as if Kobe is subordinate to some hasbeen roleplayer who thinks he's a coach

pretty clear what's going on here. Management has given the internal tank order and Kirbs is not onboard. Can't blame him for that

Only pussies & chicken s tank.

[DMC]

as if Kobe is subordinate to some hasbeen roleplayer who thinks he's a coach

pretty clear what's going on here. Management has given the internal tank order and Kirbs is not onboard. Can't blame him for that

Scott is a ty coach, no doubt, and was a role player, but he's the head coach of the Lakers. Kobe is the scapegoat for the tank. I've said so before, but his job is to do what he's told to do. He's paid a lot of money by the organization, not to win games, but to follow the coach's orders. Otherwise why not make Kobe a player coach?

[DMC]

Only pussies & chicken s tank.

LkrFan
KillaKobe81
Lakers front office...

Tanking, all of them, and liking it.

[sook]

No. Your coach is the captain of the ship. You don't disobey his orders right in front of the team just to try to salvage a meaningless RS win. If Kobe wants to be a coach, he needs to retire.

When you are led into battle by a moron deciding your fate, and you have more experienced when it comes to running a successful operation (aka Kobe), you do what you think is best there. Notice how Byron turned into a mouse and didn't say ? Perfectly good indication of where things stand, if they want a coach people respect, they have the wrong guy.

[sook]

Anyone who thinks a player should override the coach's orders on the floor without permission to do so by the coach needs to have their head examined. Pop would bench anyone who did that, right then and there, if it was willful. Not sure Kobe knew the game plan, but I suspect Kobe had his own game plan and the tendency to raise idiots like Kobe up on a pedestal over their own coach permeates even this forum. Scott is a tool, no doubt, but he's the coach. The team will be in shambles if people openly ignore the coach.

Byron Scott and Kobe in the same sentence. There are no absolutes, 99% of the time what you said is true. In this case, the lakers forfeit any chance they have of winning if they follow bonehead's strategy. If Pop didn't know wtf he was doing, you can bet your ass that players would do the same.

[DMC]

Byron Scott and Kobe in the same sentence. There are no absolutes, 99% of the time what you said is true. In this case, the lakers forfeit any chance they have of winning if they follow bonehead's strategy. If Pop didn't know wtf he was doing, you can bet your ass that players would do the same.

I didn't see Tim come off the bench at the end of Game 6 a couple years back. That was a slightly bigger game.

[DMC]

When you are led into battle by a moron deciding your fate, and you have more experienced when it comes to running a successful operation (aka Kobe), you do what you think is best there. Notice how Byron turned into a mouse and didn't say ? Perfectly good indication of where things stand, if they want a coach people respect, they have the wrong guy.

They've had the wrong guy since Phil left. You cannot build respect for a coach when your star player checks himself in and out of the game at will. That's why X-Men type help is needed to get Kobe to the promised land.

[sook]

I didn't see Tim come off the bench at the end of Game 6 a couple years back. That was a slightly bigger game.

It was, and Pop, the players, everybody knows he should have done different. The fact of the matter was, he had 4 rings and an all time winning % to back him up. No coach is perfect, you put your faith in the person that has the highest probability of being right. The lakers are in tank mode, and Kobe is obviously a compe or, I'm sure that might have been a tank strat., but when it comes down to winning which I'm sure is Kobe's #1 priority...he did what was best.

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I didn't see Tim come off the bench at the end of Game 6 a couple years back. That was a slightly bigger game.

But, I did see Amy Duncan high play that got right into the ter.

[sook]

this shiiiiiiiiiiit: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578780

You really wanna go down that road?

Btw, I'm giving props to your god , that alone should have you at my feet.

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It was, and Pop, the players, everybody knows he should have done different. The fact of the matter was, he had 4 rings and an all time winning % to back him up. No coach is perfect, you put your faith in the person that has the highest probability of being right. The lakers are in tank mode, and Kobe is obviously a compe or, I'm sure that might have been a tank strat., but when it comes down to winning which I'm sure is Kobe's #1 priority...he did what was best.

Only pussies & chicken s tank.

[sook]

Only pussies & chicken s tank.

Tell your boy Jimmy that.

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Tell your boy Jimmy that.

I just did.

[DMC]

I just did.

You have your friend Kool starting threads hoping for tanking and you whistle and look the other way... then you lodge this facade of an objection when tank is mentioned by a non-Lakers fan.

[DMC]

It was, and Pop, the players, everybody knows he should have done different. The fact of the matter was, he had 4 rings and an all time winning % to back him up. No coach is perfect, you put your faith in the person that has the highest probability of being right. The lakers are in tank mode, and Kobe is obviously a compe or, I'm sure that might have been a tank strat., but when it comes down to winning which I'm sure is Kobe's #1 priority...he did what was best.

Now you're back tracking. Kobe's number 1 priority isn't winning. If it was he wouldn't undermine the coach to show he's alpha. Kobe's priority is to look like he's still a leader, still viable. Tim didn't on Pop after that debacle because Tim knows the player/coach relationship is more important than one game, even that one game. Kobe will on his coach in January for a meaningless game if it gets him media attention. Don't act like Kobe is trying to win games, he's not. He's trying to maintain his market share. Winning isn't just about that one game, but about what the Lakers franchise needs to become a winning franchise. Undermining the head coach in the middle of the season doesn't foster a winning mentality on the team. It shows that nothing has changed and Kobe is still a bag who is above the law.

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You have your friend Kool starting threads hoping for tanking and you whistle and look the other way... then you lodge this facade of an objection when tank is mentioned by a non-Lakers fan.

I make no differentiation:::Only pussies & chicken s tankPERIOD

[DMC]

I make no differentiation:::Only pussies & chicken s tankPERIOD

You just cherry pick where and when to lodge that remark. That's chicken in itself.

[koriwhat]

You just cherry pick where and when to lodge that remark. That's chicken in itself.

yeah but dmc.... he sets trends, whether they're the tiest of trends or not, he's a trendsetter. in' annoying ass old man thread and his regurgitated crap sayings.

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yeah but dmc.... he sets trends, whether they're the tiest of trends or not, he's a trendsetter. in' annoying ass old man thread and his regurgitated crap sayings.

Kobe:::5
TOSB Duncan:::5

Amy.

AMY I ING SAID

[Kool Bob Love]

Only pussies & chicken s tank.

You got some in nerve.

[Jeff Van Gundy]

Byron Scott isn't at fault. Kobe is at fault. Rin is the PG who's defending the point, and he's following the orders of the head coach. Kobe doesn't get to just step in and usurp that because he feels like it. If Scott is an idiot, let his record reflect that. A coach has the power to fail if he makes bad decisions. If he's to be blamed, it should be by his superiors, not by his subordinates.

100% disagree, if the coach cannot somehow tell that either the shotclock has turned off or its substantially close that you wont be able to get the ball back with enough time, you are doing a ty job as coach and you deserve to get the blame. I don't like kobe for many reasons but his late foul should not be penalized in this situation when the coaches decision would have cost them the game

[DMC]

100% disagree, if the coach cannot somehow tell that either the shotclock has turned off or its substantially close that you wont be able to get the ball back with enough time, you are doing a ty job as coach and you deserve to get the blame. I don't like kobe for many reasons but his late foul should not be penalized in this situation when the coaches decision would have cost them the game

This isn't about the loss. It's about the decision to wait before fouling. That's Scott's call, not Kobe's. Does Kobe also have the right to change the defensive scheme, run zone if he decides? Can he decide who's going to be on the floor and when, decide minutes and all that? If the coach is making bad decisions with minutes, doesn't Kobe have the right to step in and overrule him?

The risk of being in the doghouse is on Kobe, so if he feels it's worth that risk, more power to him. However, there's no innate right for a player to ignore the coach's play calling and strategy just because said player feels superior to the coach. Show me a program where that's ever worked.

[Splits]

This isn't about the loss. It's about the decision to wait before fouling. That's Scott's call, not Kobe's. Does Kobe also have the right to change the defensive scheme, run zone if he decides? Can he decide who's going to be on the floor and when, decide minutes and all that? If the coach is making bad decisions with minutes, doesn't Kobe have the right to step in and overrule him?

The risk of being in the doghouse is on Kobe, so if he feels it's worth that risk, more power to him. However, there's no innate right for a player to ignore the coach's play calling and strategy just because said player feels superior to the coach. Show me a program where that's ever worked.

Then why are you the only one singing that tune? All I hear from BS, Mitch, Fredo, and the bartender are crickets.

[DMC]

Then why are you the only one singing that tune? All I hear from BS, Mitch, Fredo, and the bartender are crickets.

Because I am not speaking for the Lakers. What other person in the league would have carte blanche to say " coach, do what I say"? Getting away with it doesn't make it right.