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    Davis missed one game, a loss to GS.

    Spurs are 6-8 without Leonard; Spurs are 6-7 without Parker.
    last year the spurs were 8-8 without Leonard, with Parker playing.

    Did I mention that the Thunder have been winning games without KD?

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    They said it will require off-season surgery in the postgame.

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    They said it will require off-season surgery in the postgame.
    Sean also said that Pop said its not a pain thing... He can't catch or shoot the ball right now...

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    We'll hear if he undergoes surgery. We'll also hear if he's done for the season. We always have heard stuff like that from this franchise when those things happened. I suspect they're just waiting to see the evolution of it before making any kind of statement. It's apparently not an injury they deal with everyday, so it makes sense they're cautious about it.

    I know fans can get impatient, but we did just get a tentative timeline. I'm sure we'll hear more between now and then...
    I should have said that the Spurs seem to really drag it out before saying anything. Other teams seem to have quicker answers or information released so their fans know what is going on.

    I'd just like a little more info on what they're thinking/doing about it for now. Maybe they are waiting to see what happens, but they're not really saying that for sure. Sean is saying he'll be back later rather than sooner, but maybe they just don't know if he'll be back at all. If that's where they're at, I'd like them to come out and say it. I really, really hope he can comeback though and play out the season with it not affecting him much.

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    last year the spurs were 8-8 without Leonard, with Parker playing.

    Did I mention that the Thunder have been winning games without KD?
    Yes, you said it. That's like saying the Spurs have been winning without Leonard. They're a lottery team without Durant.

    The Spurs aren't the same team as last year or I could say the Spurs were 15-6 in 2013 without Leonard, not counting the two losses pop sat the big 4.

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    We'll hear if he undergoes surgery. We'll also hear if he's done for the season. We always have heard stuff like that from this franchise when those things happened. I suspect they're just waiting to see the evolution of it before making any kind of statement. It's apparently not an injury they deal with everyday, so it makes sense they're cautious about it.

    I know fans can get impatient, but we did just get a tentative timeline. I'm sure we'll hear more between now and then...
    I need to see the MVS/390 assembly source you used to come to this conclusion.

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    Not much else in the link other than it will be weeks before he returns. And that he tore a ligament near the base of his hand.

    http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium

    Pain tolerance is not an issue.

    “His hand doesn’t work,” Popovich said. “If it just hurt he’d play. He’s a tough kid. But his hand doesn’t work. It doesn’t catch things. He can’t do what you do — shoot. He can’t grab.”

    Leonard’s recovery has been steady but slow.

    “Each day a little bit, less pain, more function.” Popovich said. “Not near enough to go play.”

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    I need to see the MVS/390 assembly source you used to come to this conclusion.
    When Gino broke his hand, the team said so right away. Same when Kawhi broke his hand last season. Patty offseason surgery, ditto. I don't think they're being mysterious here, I just think they don't outright know for sure. When they do, I'm sure we'll hear about it.

    Due to Kawhi being really important for us, I suspect they'll do the utmost to try to avoid surgery now and see if he can get well enough to play. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they announce a week from now that they're shutting him down. A lot will depend on how his healing progresses, I suspect.

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    When Gino broke his hand, the team said so right away. Same when Kawhi broke his hand last season. Patty offseason surgery, ditto. I don't think they're being mysterious here, I just think they don't outright know for sure. When they do, I'm sure we'll hear about it.

    Due to Kawhi being really important for us, I suspect they'll do the utmost to try to avoid surgery now and see if he can get well enough to play. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they announce a week from now that they're shutting him down. A lot will depend on how his healing progresses, I suspect.
    Don't drop the punchcards

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    Don't drop the punchcards
    Magnetic tape, IMO

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    It went from a bruise, to a slight tear, to a full tear, to ebola.

    Sounds like he just needs time for the tear to heal enough for him to play, which I'm guessing is 3-4 weeks.

    If he needed surgery, he would have had it already. Damn you odd injuries!

    Only thing I question is the MRI he initially had on it, cause the prognosis has only gotten worse since then.

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    I should have said that the Spurs seem to really drag it out before saying anything. Other teams seem to have quicker answers or information released so their fans know what is going on.

    I'd just like a little more info on what they're thinking/doing about it for now. Maybe they are waiting to see what happens, but they're not really saying that for sure. Sean is saying he'll be back later rather than sooner, but maybe they just don't know if he'll be back at all. If that's where they're at, I'd like them to come out and say it. I really, really hope he can comeback though and play out the season with it not affecting him much.
    I agree with your thought on they are just waiting to see what happens to see if it will get better, it is a wait and see game now and they don't even know IMO what will happen on this thing. Thats kind of scary but it's a wait game now.
    When Gino broke his hand, the team said so right away. Same when Kawhi broke his hand last season. Patty offseason surgery, ditto. I don't think they're being mysterious here, I just think they don't outright know for sure. When they do, I'm sure we'll hear about it.

    Due to Kawhi being really important for us, I suspect they'll do the utmost to try to avoid surgery now and see if he can get well enough to play. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they announce a week from now that they're shutting him down. A lot will depend on how his healing progresses, I suspect.
    I agree, wait and see game now.

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    At least they're saying that they're seeing daily improvement. I'm guessing they're having him do grip tests and .

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    Oh no a Kawhi fan! If only I made a bunch of pointless posts a day, then I'd fit in...
    They can't accept the passage of time, they can't assume that at some age performance starts to decline and Tim-Tony-Manu aren't the dominant figures they were.
    If you challenge them to get out of their "only Big 3 matter" "Leonard is just a role player" comfort zone, then they'll say that you're a X player's fan, it's a commonplace.

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    ...you're an idiot.
    I'm not the guy who say Leonard'value is inflated because he played well only three games...
    I was questioning your statement but I'm under the impression that your lack of argumentation skills is a catalyst for your aggression.


    However, the number of idiots deceived by Leonard's hype/overrated is growing.
    On a team that features a trio of future Hall of Famers in Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, Leonard has emerged as the Spurs’ most irreplaceable player.
    http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium

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    So in cherry picked situations you can have a binary outcome based on whether or not any particular player did or did not play. Sounds like a red herring.
    Nope. Kawhi increases the probability of a Spurs win. It's not rocket science.
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    Thank you! Well said. It's basic concept and not rocket science. Whether we win or lose is indeed the definition of a 'binary outcome.'
    Yep. Cheers.

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    Spurs are being so vague its hard to understand whats going on... he has been out weeks yet the status we hear is he cant catch or shoot thw ball, that doesn't sound like progress to me. I know im speculating but with the lack of info and the continued constant beating around the bush I cant but to speculate as its pretty all we have to go bye. Its a little prompus to be treating the fans this way if you ask me, but what do I know.

    All in all I just hope he gets better, I know its gotta be hard for him to have to sit out so much on a contract year.
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    If we assume that the injury is not season-ending, then he'll still have plenty of time after his return even if he needs several more weeks.

    The Spurs have played 35 games so far. They have 18 games before the week long All Star break that begins after the game on Feb 11th. If he returns on Feb 19th, he'll have had an additional 6+ weeks and there will be 29 games remaining on the schedule.

    If they hold him out of the 6 game west coast swing of the RRT that follows the All Star Break, he won't come back until the 6 game homestand that begins on March 4th. That will give him more than 2 full months of additional recovery time and the Spurs will still have 23 games left on the schedule.

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    I can't imagine the meltdown when they announce that he's done for the season. My oh my a repeat chance slapped in the face by injuries, what else is knew

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    I'm not the guy who say Leonard'value is inflated because he played well only three games...
    Paraphrasing works so well when you want to build a strawman.
    I was questioning your statement but I'm under the impression that your lack of argumentation skills is a catalyst for your aggression.
    I'm not the one paraphrasing and attacking the easier target.
    However, the number of idiots deceived by Leonard's hype/overrated is growing.

    http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...witter-premium
    More strawmen.

    The team isn't losing because of Leonard. Otherwise they would have lost last night as well. Why is that so hard for you to understand? I realize you want Leonard to be Michael Jordan, but the Spurs don't run that way. Sure Leonard is a factor, but so is Tony Parker. Leonard might be a bigger factor than Tony, probably is, but his absence doesn't cause the Spurs to shoot 20% from 3.

    Oh and I stopped reading after this: "From James Harden to Kobe Bryant"..

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    Nope. Kawhi increases the probability of a Spurs win. It's not rocket science.
    That's a neutered version of the original argument that the Spurs are losing because Kawhi isn't playing.

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    That's a neutered version of the original argument that the Spurs are losing because Kawhi isn't playing.
    No, because it means we win more games when he plays than when he doesn't. Winning games is good. It's not complicated.

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    No, because it means we win more games when he plays than when he doesn't. Winning games is good. It's not complicated.
    But it doesn't mean we lose 6 of 7 because he's not playing. Any player with a positive VORP enables the Spurs to win more games when he's playing than when his backup is playing. It doesn't mean the team is doomed if his backup is playing.

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    I'm surprised more people aren't cliff jumping over this. It's bad, bad news. Seems like we always get ed during repeat years

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