Knicks: Why are the New York Bricks so Bad?

[Red Hawk #21]

[Red Hawk #21]

This debacle going on with the Knicks makes me wonder how Carmelo Anthony seems to get a pass in this situation. Can you imagine how much scrutiny LeBron James would get if his team was 5-31? That would be on BSPN (And pretty much every other major sports network) almost 24/7. Look at how much Lebron and the Cavs are being talked about right now while being 19-15. Sure 19-15 isn't great and they're definitely underachieving at this point, but that's still so much better than Melo's NY Bricks. Yet I rarely hear anyone say anything about Melo. Why is this?

[Venti Quattro]

This debacle going on with the Knicks makes me wonder how Carmelo Anthony seems to get a pass in this situation. Can you imagine how much scrutiny LeBron James would get if his team was 5-31? That would be on BSPN (And pretty much every other major sports network) almost 24/7. Look at how much Lebron and the Cavs are being talked about right now while being 19-15. Sure 19-15 isn't great and they're definitely underachieving at this point, but that's still so much better than Melo's NY Bricks. Yet I rarely hear anyone say anything about Melo. Why is this?

Because LeBron is a winner and Carmelo isn't. When winners don't do well it is much talked about. There is expectation on LeBron while losing is a routine for Carmelo.

[100%duncan]

^Pretty much

[Killakobe81]

but, but Lakers didnt sign Melo ...
Like I said a good player maybe even borderline great ...
But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Many on here said you HAVE to pay Dwight/Melo, the max ...no you DON'T. Yes, that is the going rate and Kobe/Melo/Dwight won't sign for less but you could let those guys walk. Kobe was paid because of financial reasons the max and maybe so was Melo but at lest Kobe has won, was a rookie for Lakers etc.

Told y'all it would have been a huge mistake so we dodged a bullet as did Bulls, Rox, and Mavs. I like him wish him well but max money for stars over 30 plus is crazy. It's very likely (though I dont think he is done or hit a cliff) that Lebron will be vastly overpaid at the end of his next max contract. We will see how he ages.

[Killakobe81]

But I would still do it pay max for Lebron for the last 3 years of his prime even if he is turd the last two (of a 5 year deal)

[100%duncan]

but, but Lakers didnt sign Melo ...
Like I said a good player maybe even borderline great ...
But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Many on here said you HAVE to pay Dwight/Melo, the max ...no you DON'T. Yes, that is the going rate and Kobe/Melo/Dwight won't sign for less but you could let those guys walk. Kobe was paid because of financial reasons the max and maybe so was Melo but at lest Kobe has won, was a rookie for Lakers etc.

Yold y'all it would have been a huge mistake so we dodged a bullet as did Bulls, Rox, and Mavs. I like him wish him well but max money for stars over 30 plus is crazy. It's very likely (though I dont think he is done or hit a cliff) that Lebron will be vastly overpaid at the end of his next max contract. We will see how he ages.

You act like your franchise haven't done the same mistake to a more broken down superstar And legacy doesn't matter if you're talking about real max worth

[Killakobe81]

You act like your franchise haven't done the same mistake to a more broken down superstar And legacy doesn't matter if you're talking about real max worth

Read what I said again, 100 ... But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Apparently you missed that. My point again (for the reading impaired) is I get WHY teams do it (marketing) ...I was arguing (which I have since the new CBA) ...why you should NOT.

For the record, I was arguing Lakers should have fought/convinced Kobe to take 15 million but understood he would get at least 19-20 ...
At 24 per I thought it was horrible even if Kobe was 100% healthy.

[100%duncan]

Read what I said again, 100 ... But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Apparently you missed that. My point again (for the reading impaired) is I get WHY teams do it (marketing) ...I was arguing (which I have since the new CBA) ...why you should NOT.

For the record, I was arguing Lakers should have fought/convinced Kobe to take 15 million but understood he would get at least 19-20 ...
At 24 per I thought it was horrible even if Kobe was 100% healthy.

How does this ^ make any bearing to what I posted? I just found your original comment funny since it seemed that the Lakers were too smart not to sign melo at max when they already made the same, might be worse, mistake the season before.

[Killakobe81]

How does this ^ make any bearing to what I posted? I just found your original comment funny since it seemed that the Lakers were too smart not to sign melo at max when they already made the same, might be worse, mistake the season before.

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

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[100%duncan]

Would a re trade Green and Diaw for Shumpert tbh?

[100%duncan]

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.

Of course it won't be funny for you since you're a laker fan, relax I'm off the Kobe hate lately, especially with the not-fouling issue I'm with him on that side tbh

[Killakobe81]

Of course it won't be funny for you since you're a laker fan, relax I'm off the Kobe hate lately, especially with the not-fouling issue I'm with him on that side tbh

i am relaxed. My point was nothing I said was funny you can laugh at Kobe or Lakers all you want, no longer bothers me. I speak Laker facts even on Kobe. All i want is the pick I dont give a about Kobe's legacy clutch rating etc. Legacy is already established, clutch is dependent on greatplay-calls as well as a great player. We have a once great now far past his prime great player and a mediocre coach. I dont expect to win many close games and since I want the pick I am cool with that.

A loss last night would have helped though ...

[Mr Bones]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

[100%duncan]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

The Knicks have always been terrible. Their death came then minute they signed Amare.

[Killakobe81]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

this. And a great point. thing that is crazy teams like L.A and New york are overpaying guys to play in the biggest market. which is stupid. I hope Lakers keep missing on paying guys MORE to play in LA ... especially aging stars or undeserving dudes. People on her and on LG mad that we missed on Melo dude is not a max player in new CBA I said last summer and I was proven even more right. Funny thing is Laker haters were hoping he would sign here too ..thank God dude chose elsewhere.

[hater]

duh they signed amare, melo and jr smith

[Thread]

duh they signed amare, melo and jr smith

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

[hater]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

Ok

[Brazil]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

Amare is a winner ?

wtf

[Mr Bones]

I can honestly say there's not one guy on that team I'd want. Maybe Cole Aldrich as a 5th big for slightly above the minimum. That's it.

[DPG21920]

Phil started by making one of the dumbest trades of the past couple years (the other being a Knick trade where they gave up a 1st rounder to take on Bargnani ). He not only got rid of their best player in Chandler, but took on more money long-term (they will still have cap space assuming they don't trade for a Joe Johnson/Dwill type) but it was a bad trade all around.

Phil on Twitter trying to defend it saying "you evaluate trades in 5 years windows". Ok.

[Expert]

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.

it always comes back to Kobe says the guy with Kobe in his name posting on a Spurs forum about the Knicks.

[Expert]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

was this before or after he took himself out of the playoffs by punching a fire extinguisher glass case?