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there was an implied contrast with "true democratic societies."
You seemed to be doing so wrt 9/11.
there was an implied contrast with "true democratic societies."
Yet we converse about this and realize that the examples given above may be used as lessons of what not to do. Approaches to protecting individual rights v. the rights of the whole and the protection of the whole is an old problem and in a constant state of flux.
good post tbhI read where of 6M Maghrebins in France, only 2M really practice the Muslim religion (and probably only a tiny percentages are extremely devout but still not killers), while the rest are as secular as they typical non-practicing "Catholic" French person.
The children of the 1960s-80s North African immigrants probably don't practice Muslim religion any more than their French contemporaries. But for SupremePrick, they are ALL jihadist murderers.
French racism against Maghrebins is quite strong, just like racism in USA, so a lot of young French guys see no future for themselves "as French-born citizens" and are targets for radicalization. If France doesn't want them, then they affiliate with something else. So in a sense, the French Maghrebins murdering Charlie Hebdo could be seen as blowback for French racism.
French Maghrebins are quite active against French Jews (about 600K in France, the largest Jewish community in W. Europe). One Jewish school in Clichy looks like a high security prison, with watch towers, high walls topped with razor wire.
I heard one French Muslim on NPR say some French guys who went to Syria weren't at all religious. Records show they bought "Muslim for Dummies" on Amazon before going to Syria to become "religious" extremist murderers.
Well I do realize now I will be checked much more thoroughly at for example airports. I may not like it.
Usually to the detriment of the rights of the individual -- there's a ratchet effect. It's unclear whether the pendulum ever swings back.
When the pendulum swings back is tough.
The pendulum has already begun to decelerate imo. At the time 9/11 occurred people as a whole were much more willing to give up their individual rights. Now, we are much more willing to question what kind of stuff our government (for and by the people) is allowed to peer into concerning individuals in order to protect the whole. You don't think this is true as a generalization?
As an aside:
Winehole, your efforts in putting up some very interesting articles are appreciated.
Yes, I do, but all it takes is another attack on US soil to reverse it.
Most welcome. It's a hobby at this point.
Or another Edward Snowden like event to turn it round. Which is why I personally look at the press as the 4th branch of government. Which is why I like reading solid reporting/analysis.
The last Edward Snowden type event before Edward Snowden was The Pentagon Papers. No telling how long it'll be til the next one, but I suppose one might say the same for the next terrorist attack.
yes lefty
French Google fund to pay for 1 million print run of Charlie Hebdo next week
Money put into a fund by Google as a sweetener for French publishers during the link tax row of 2013will be used to pay for next week’s edition of Charlie Hebdo.
Following an attack by gunmen on the magazine's offices in Paris on Wednesday – in which 12 people were killed – the media world has come together to support the French satirical weekly. But it seems the firm that some see as publishers’ biggest foe is ultimately bankrolling next week’s edition.
Eight of the 12 people killed were journalists attending an editorial meeting, however, a senior editor and the magazine’s chief executive were in London at the time of the attack. They have vowed to do a massive 1 million copy print run next week – Charlie Hebdo’s circulation is normally around 60k.
The cash will come from €60m fund (€20m per year over three years) that supports digital publishing innovation. The fund was set up in 2013 following negotiations between Google and the French government as a remedy to demands from European publishers that Google pay for displaying news snippets in its search results.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01...run_next_week/
By the way, we had an abortion clinic bombed by a christian pro-life group here not too long ago....you christian by any chance? Could you come by the office for some questioning? Or at least tell all your little christian friends that we don't appreciate them hiding behind ancient religious texts to commit atrocities? we need to hold all christians accountable.
Dip .
Whites reign Supreme on the domestic terror list.... just saying ;-)
breaking, via Twitter: both sieges over, hostages freed, all suspects dead.
which is exactly what they wanted anyway..I've said all along the Western world doesn't seem to get it....we will always be the ones to lose in the event of terrorism because these guys take dying as a badge of honor....they embrace it....we cannot use it as a means of fear against them...I think the only thing might deter them is to force them to work on a swine farm....but then again they'd just kill themselves before capture.... so we caught and killed Bin-Laden....does that make-up for the 3000k lives that were lost...I think not....this is a losing war....I don't see how it will ever stop
"It's Dead, Jim"
Yonivore et al. view that as an acceptable cost, if they acknowledge it happens at all, which, given that particular mindsets inability to consider data objectively, is doubtful.
Define "hold minorities accountable for any of their actions".
Granted:
Islam, to the evidence available to me, does appear to lead to more violence than other religions.
Few bits by sam harris on the topic:
Sam Harris - 'Muslims do not Have a clue about what cons utes a civil society'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxjBjRnhUqA
Sam Harris vs Muslim apologists 1/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJ4S2l0nIs
Etc.
That, however, doesn't mean I am for depriving them of basic human rights, despite their silly supers ions.
Shocker, Kool not understanding a complex issue.which is exactly what they wanted anyway..I've said all along the Western world doesn't seem to get it....we will always be the ones to lose in the event of terrorism because these guys take dying as a badge of honor....they embrace it....we cannot use it as a means of fear against them...I think the only thing might deter them is to force them to work on a swine farm....
Stop the presses...
I'm glad they dead
time to move on as quick as possible
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