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I haven't followed Egypt recently. Anyone could, should be better than Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi. But time will tell.
why wouldn't you support him?
I haven't followed Egypt recently. Anyone could, should be better than Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi. But time will tell.
Im all about freedom of press, and God knows im guilty of judging all muslims based off the extremist like ISIS. But there are 1.5 billion muslims. Is it really a good idea to continue to print cartoons making fun of them? Its just gonna get more people killed just to prove a point. One thing i will admit is those extremist will die in a heart beat for what they believe in. So are u ok with provoking them and causing even more terror against people because of it?
From his new years speech directed to the Mullahs
I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facing—and I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!
That thinking—I am not saying “religion” but “thinking”—that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It’s antagonizing the entire world!
Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!
I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now.
All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.
I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move… because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.
I don't think the vast bulk of the Muslim ideas, text need redoing. But as with Christians where bizarre extremists interpret the Bible weirdly AND FALSELY and unChristian-ly, those mullahs and imams that do the same with their scriptures, like IS and Wahabi sect, should be put in their place, "policed" and restrained by moderate Muslims.
Of course, nearly all of the Muslim the world is having now is due to you Repugs invading Iraq for oil, destabilizing the Middle East, plus Gitmo, torture, Abu Ghraib, bombing civilians, GWOT, etc. Thanks, Repugs!
Most of world thinks the USA is ing crazy and the biggest threat to world peace.
You sure are a stupid . It is impossible to have a conversation without you foaming at the mouth.
shut up gots
so you deny that your Repugs invading Iraq for oil and destabilizing the M/E had anything to with the storm, with Charlie Hebdo's shooters?
you often seem to reply to posts with such comments. Is it because you do not want to debate the worth of the argument postulated? Surely it cannot be too complex.
If we invaded for oil then why didn't we get the oil? i think the invasion was a mistake but I think your RSS feed oversimplification is even stupider.so you deny that your Repugs invading Iraq for oil and destabilizing the M/E had anything to with the storm, with Charlie Hebdo's shooters?
"we" are not getting oil dummy. it's the oil companies who are keeping control and monopoly of it. lol "we"
You apparently read the same RSS feeds boobird does...
http://content.time.com/time/world/a...948787,00.html
Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week."
What's the MIC enriched by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq? What about Halliburton?
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Uh? That was just one bid, one where:
That might have been the thinking of U.S. oil giants, which largely stayed away from last week's bidding
Also on the same article...
In a previous bid round last June, Iraq handed control to the giant Rumaila field near Basra to Britain's BP, while ExxonMobil later took an 80% stake in another huge field, West Qurna Phase 1, and plan to eventually pump 2.5 million barrels a day
Service Contracts Licensing Results (sorted by gross revenue/year)
Field / Block Company Home country Company type Share in field Plateau production target (bpd) Service fee per bbl ($) Gross revenue at plateau ($/yr) West Qurna Field Phase 1 Exxon US Public 60% 2,325,000 1.9 967,432,500 Rumaila BP UK Public 37.5% 2,850,000 2 780,187,500 Rumaila CNPC China State 37.5% 2,850,000 2 780,187,500 West Qurna Field Phase 2 Lukoil Russia Public 75% 1,800,000 1.15 566,662,500 Majnoon S Netherlands Public 45% 1,800,000 1.39 410,953,500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrole...ensing_Results
US/UK BigOil didn't get oil?
btw, dubya/ head's URGENCY of invading Iraq for oil was that Saddam was negotiating oil contracts in early 2003 with Russia, France, and China, excluding US and UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-exporter.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...134071641.html
US/UK BigOil didn't get Iraq's oil?
This is the muslim enlightenment that really might help bring islam out of the dark ages.
Not sure the structure of the religion is such that it will work, though. So much fundamentalism and wahhabism that would react violently to it.
Thanks for the link/name excerpt though. I will mark it for some follow up reading.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/21599297/
Link to USA today column. Has the same quote you posted, so I would guess a good possibility that is where you got it.
BBC has a good profile on him:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730
ALL Muslims aren't "in the dark ages", just as ALL Christians do not read only the OT and ignore everything Christ preached in the NT.
Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.
If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.
This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.
Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.
It's hard to see separate whether religion holds societies back (eg, backward, uneducated Christians are certainly re ing progress in the USA) or whether backward, uneducated societies are suckers for religion.
In Europe, I'd say the nominally Catholic countries are backward (Ireland, Spain, Italy).
French society was backwark/feudal, the 1% (church + royalty) effectively enslaving the 99%, until the French Revolution, and France severely separated into secular and religious factions, to this day.
There are OBVIOUSLy millions, 100Ms?, of educated, sophisticated, tolerant, moderate Muslims around the world.
The rest of the world lost their enchantment with their post war hero, exemplar USA in the 1960s and the unnecessary, LOST Viet Nam war. Then in the 80s with St Ronnie invading, bullying tiny countries, and supporting Muslims in Afghanistan against the Russians, and supporting Saddam's attack on Iran. Some sympathy after 9/11, but then USA ed up in Afghanistan, and invaded Iraq for oil. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib pretty much destroyed any American claim to being a Christian country, on higher moral ground, preaching to all the countries American deemed inferior.
I pretty much agree. Personally I think that religion tends to be a mixed bag when it comes to education and advancement, but ultimately the abdication of reason (believing something without good evidence) is the fatal flaw of religious ideas, and tips the scale to the negative.
A moment of moral clarity from RG.
You need to look around you more. The US has slipped mightily in terms of literacy, which you use your own and not the international measure to judge your own population. The US military grunt ranks are filled with poor trash who see the armed services as a 'way out' and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, again mainly made up of poor illiterate people. There is also good argument that the USA's incarcerated population has become an economic necessity. As far as conspiracy theories - good lord where do we start: birthers, truthers, tea party, anti climate change, NRA, FOX news, Illuminati, KKK, WASP's etc etc.
You are jumping across centuries and glossing over massive societal changes, wars and political changes which dilutes your argument.
If you go pre-industrial revolution you struggle to seperate religion from education apart from for the wealthy. Judiasm had a systematic advantage for it's followers in that a central tenant was the need to read and hopefully write in order to be versed in the Torah. Hence the high level of jewish scholars. The Catholic church actively excluded participation in such a manner by opposing bibles in anything but latin, but then the catholic church has followed it's italian roots by Machiavellian meddling in european politics for centuries. But don't equate christian with catholic, there were a great number of enlightened Christian churches/faiths that embraced change and 'enlightenment' e.g. Quakers, Welsh reform and to a lesser extent liberal lutheran. Islam was not the religion is it now: there was good argument that the industrial revolution would have occurred centuries earlier had Islam conquered Europe in the dark ages...but the enlightened periods in Islam have been short, mostly due to politics than anything else. The moor invasion of Spain is a good case in point: At it's peak the tolerance, medicine, education and arts were far more developed than the rest of europe, but it did not last and was weakened from within before being destroyed from without.
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