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^ Quincy Carter ? the bipolar dude, arrested multiple times for multiple reasons ? the ?
1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Young
4. Quincy Carter
5. Brady
Imho
^ Quincy Carter ? the bipolar dude, arrested multiple times for multiple reasons ? the ?
When talking about greatness in any sport we ....MUST....go with vs their era. There are high school kids who could beat Jesse Owens in a 100m. That doesn't matter, Owens was the best (not really that was Eulace Pea , but he was injured in 1936) in the world in his era, the Olympic Champion.
So with that said.
1.Joe Montana.... he never lost a SB, winning 4, his mastery of an offense unmatched.
2.Tom Brady.... where he stands with the stats combined with his SB success puts him here.
3.Johnny Unitas.... was "Da Man" in his day and is still among the elite in the stats department, at a time when throwing the ball wasn't like it is now.
4.Peyton Manning... his impact on the game can't be ignored and he has the stats
5.Otto Graham***.... he played in 10 Championship games. By far the greatest QB of his era.
6.Brett Favre.... his stats are ridiculous. Strongest arm among the elite.
7.Dan Marino.... the best pure passer the game has ever seen.
8.John Elway... the best combo of passing/running/decision maker, only Favre having a stronger arm.
9.Drew Brees.... only those above compare with his stats
10.Fran Tarkenton.... when he retired he held all the QB records, is still anong the top 10 in yards/td's.
Aaron Rodgers will be on that list just a bit too early.
Big Ben will also be on that list.
Nobody mentioned above had a better first three seasons than Russell Wilson.
*** there has never at any time been any QB so far above everyone else in his era than this guy. Only Don Hutson an old Packer receiver, Jim Brown and Jerry Rice were as dominate at their position, so dominate there was no debate, talking offense. Add TE John Mackay.
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I agree he is one of the few QB's that make plays as a QB (outside of nice throw) that are truly high-light worthy. The throw he made across his body drifting right (I forget against who) but throwing left that IIRC was called back by a penalty maybe only 1% of QB's could have made ... maybe prime Elway and maybe prime Randall Cunningham makes that throw all arm with zip, touch AND ACCURACY. A really great QB but much to soon to put him in the top 5 ... he is on his way though ...
How many rings has Brady won when they were cheating?
Everyone forgets that Montana would have accomished so much more if not for the Leonard Marshall hit
Brady would be the GOAT merely because of the large gap between his le wins, and I don't think losing Super Bowls should ever count against someone's legacy. Many people rank Joe Montana over Brady merely because he is 4-4 in Super Bowls while Brady is 3-2, both of which against fluky-ass-teams that lucked into a win more than earning it.
Elite was big time in those 2 super bowls. That was no luck. NY wanted it more.
The same posters defending Brady in his SB loses are some of the same posters who chide LeBron for his NBA finals losses. How funny. I think you can definitely make the argument between Montana and Brady. However, both will always be considered in the greatest of all time discussion and that is what makes sports interesting.
I always laugh at "finals record" arguments, as if it's better losing earlier in the playoffs (or not making it at all) than to lose in the finals
The Giants weren't a fluke, they just didn't blow their load in the regular season like those Pats teams did.
I'll put it this way, he'd better win another ring to even have a chance at #1. His last ring was 11 years ago! He made it back twice and couldn't get it done, losing both times to an Eli-led team
So yeah, he needs this one, or he's out of the question.
Yeah, Eli willed a ball to stick to a guy's helmet.
Then he just wanted Welker to drop a pass more than Brady wanted him to catch it.
Good luck..may both teams play hard..
Same to you, Big Dog. Luck is looking badass, I fear him tbh. Also, having Allen as another receiving threat will be huge, we can't guard TE's for .
Tyree was inspired by det escape tbh
Iirc, Montana never had a single INT in the SBs, in an era when defenses could get away with a lot more. Plus Montana followed up his MVP season with his third SB MVP in the most lopsided SB ass beating. A bit different than winning your SBs by 3 points, needing a legendary kicker and great camera work. So even if Brady wins this year, he's still not in Montana's class imo.
Ray Lewis is asshurt
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...mming-national
Brady should have made a better throw to someone who was as wide open as Welker. Welker probably should have it had, but a better throw would have sealed it.
I agree. I watched Montana in his prime (unfortunately live as well) and his prime was better than Brady's.
I'll agree with you on the 2011 win, but the 2007 win was marred with a lot of fluke moments (helmet catch, dropped pass) and considering that pretty much everyone remembers the Patriots going 18-1 more than the Giants winning, it makes me think that it was not only one of the biggest upsets of all time, but one of the flukiest of moments (more than 6. if you consider all factors IMO).
2011 definitely wasn't a fluke
Kyle Williams - 3 fumbles
The throw wasn't pinpoint, but it was good enough. Welker should have caught it, plain and simple. Not that Brady didn't make some God awful throws in that game. That one deep ball to Gronkowski where he completely underthrew a one-legged man was inexcusable.
Maybe the Whiners shouldn't have choked so hard on third downs that game (1-13) if they wanted to win.
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