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    I'll bet if congress was asked the same two questions that the climate science were asked, at least 80% of the republicans would agree.
    you'd lose that bet

    Repug s DENY AGW science totally, it's fundamental to implementing the VRWC strategies, esp in permitting BigCarbon to us all over.

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    BigCarbon fellators, here's an oldie, but goodie

    "Scientists Offered Cash to Dispute Climate Study"

    Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world’s largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

    Letters sent by the American Enterprise Ins ute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.


    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/...o-dispute.html



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    Despite Current Congress, Many Republicans Think Climate Change Is Real




    70 percent of the people surveyed considered themselves conservative or tea party, while only 30 percent identified as liberal or moderate.

    even though the majority of Republicans don’t actively accept that global warming is real, a majority of every group except tea party Republicans think carbon dioxide should be regulated as a pollutant — a fact that, Yale noted, runs “in contrast to the current goal of Republican leaders in Congress to block EPA regulations on carbon dioxide.” Specifically, 56 percent of all Republicans support regulating carbon dioxide as a pollutant, including 54 percent of self-identifying conservatives. In addition, 64 percent of Republicans in general support tax rebates for people who buy energy-efficient cars or solar panels.

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/13/3611016/gop-down-with-agw/



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    Somebody help me out here. Manny? RandomGuy?

    Northern European summer temperature variations over the Common Era from integrated tree-ring density records





    So, I am reliably informed and, as the above graph demonstrates, an august team of researchers from the Czech Republic, Finland, Greece, Germany, Sweden, and Switzerland (a consensus?) describe their finding as depicting "a long-term cooling trend of -0.30°C per 1,000 years over the Common Era in northern Europe”. That's a lot of cooling during a period when we've been told the planet was warming, wouldn't you say? Coincidentally, they note that their temperature reconstruction “has centennial-scale variations superimposed on this trend,” which indicate that “conditions during Medieval and Roman times were probably warmer than in the late 20th century,” when the previously-rising post-Little Ice Age mean global air temperature hit a ceiling of sorts above which it has yet to penetrate.

    Interesting. What does it all mean?

    I think it means that when you put the modest temperature rise, of the latter part of the 20th century (because that's the period we're told is drop dead proof we're headed for catastrophe), into the context of, say, the past 2,000 years, the whole AGCC argument kind of goes soft,eh? Context is key -- even in science.
    Your conclusion side steps the prescient issue with climate change: it is the rate of change that is the big issue. The climate change that has occurred in the past and that you note occurred over many centuries per degree. Biological systems can cope with slow change, however now we have introduced change at a rate that will see extinction of species as the norm rather than the exception.

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    Boutons. That is so stupid. I'll bet if congress was asked the same two questions that the climate science were asked, at least 80% of the republicans would agree.


    "I do not believe the scientists, because it is their profession and not their hobby".


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    "I do not believe the scientists, because it is their profession and not their hobby".

    What's the point of taking the excerpts? When you cherry pick, you can show one side. I wonder what the full C-Span clip would tell us?

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    What's the point of taking the excerpts? When you cherry pick, you can show one side. I wonder what the full C-Span clip would tell us?
    That the Republicans on the science oversight panel care far less for actual science than they do the politics and feelings about the "truthiness" of facts.

    You tell me, because the nitwit politician is pretty much aping your favorite conspiracy theory, and the one you, and Yoni, have failed so hard in proving, just like Cosmored has failed to prove his.

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    he sucks in climatology as much as he sucks in religion (but at the very top of his game when suckering $100Ms from idiots)

    He pays himself and his about $3M/year, can't he afford heating?

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    That the Republicans on the science oversight panel care far less for actual science than they do the politics and feelings about the "truthiness" of facts.

    You tell me, because the nitwit politician is pretty much aping your favorite conspiracy theory, and the one you, and Yoni, have failed so hard in proving, just like Cosmored has failed to prove his.
    Well, I disagree, and it is not presented in context. What you posted is very unethical.

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    Well, I disagree, and it is not presented in context. What you posted is very unethical.
    Provide the context then. How is the clipped post "very unethical"?

    Let me guess, you don't have time?

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    Provide the context then. How is the clipped post "very unethical"?

    Let me guess, you don't have time?
    Why?

    I have done so several times in the past. Presented the full length C-Span video for full context, with time indexes, but you idiots just don't learn.

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    Why?

    I have done so several times in the past. Presented the full length C-Span video for full context, with time indexes, but you idiots just don't learn.
    I've never seen it. Can you provide a link to the thread. Or better yet, but give me the gist of why the guys says he refuses to believe the scientists, because climate study is their profession

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    I've never seen it. Can you provide a link to the thread. Or better yet, but give me the gist of why the guys says he refuses to believe the scientists, because climate study is their profession
    I'm not going to take time to search.

    I have however taken from snippets, linked the entire C-Span video, and pointed to time indexes of the relevant materiel. It can be very hard to find some of the videos, and specially only knowing this was taken from September.

    Feel free to search:

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary//

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    I'm not going to take time to search.

    I have however taken from snippets, linked the entire C-Span video, and pointed to time indexes of the relevant materiel. It can be very hard to find some of the videos, and specially only knowing this was taken from September.

    Feel free to search:

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary//
    I looked. I think Rep Bucshon was pretty clear. He didn't trust the scientific data because of all of the climatetoligist whose career depends on the climate changing to keep themselves publishing articles, I could read that, but I don't believe it.

    I saw nothing else in there that discounted that statement or was taken out of context.

    , I've seen you make similar arguments n this board.

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    WC.

    Please stop.

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    he sucks in climatology as much as he sucks in religion (but at the very top of his game when suckering $100Ms from idiots)

    He pays himself and his about $3M/year, can't he afford heating?
    Boots we may not agree with him, but one thing that astounds me about the guy is his command of the English language. The guy is pretty amazing. He has totally sucked in quite a few people who should know better. There is something to be said for the Bill Clinton/Ronald Reagan type speakers, they can be dangerous.

    Dont underestimate the silver tongue.

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    "guy is his command of the English language"

    Typical characteristic of successful sales people, hucksters, con men, charismatic speakers. A talent which has nothing to do with what they are actually saying. eg, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, and other eloquent pied pipers who lead their listeners wildly astray, to poverty, to death, etc.



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    I looked. I think Rep Bucshon was pretty clear. He didn't trust the scientific data because of all of the climatetoligist whose career depends on the climate changing to keep themselves publishing articles, I could read that, but I don't believe it.

    I saw nothing else in there that discounted that statement or was taken out of context.

    , I've seen you make similar arguments n this board.
    I would accept that statement as in context, but others were likely not.

    I too see a trend where it is difficult to get any paper published that doesn't follow the dogma. Scientists then have to get published through "vanity sites" that disagree with the consensus, and then they are attacked for going that route.

    Follow the money. Research grants are for supporting the UN governmental position.

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    "follow the dogma"

    there's no dogma, no doctrine, just 1000s papers stuffed with evidence, facts, data confirming the AGW "theory"



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    Well, I disagree, and it is not presented in context. What you posted is very unethical.
    By all means, present what you think the proper context for their ed and ignorant statments is.

    Unethical, how? Be specific.

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    I would accept that statement as in context, but others were likely not.

    I too see a trend where it is difficult to get any paper published that doesn't follow the dogma. Scientists then have to get published through "vanity sites" that disagree with the consensus, and then they are attacked for going that route.

    Follow the money. Research grants are for supporting the UN governmental position.
    So, people who are researching cancer, and tell you that you should be concerned about new carcinogens are wrong because they are getting paid to study it?

    You can see all the trends you want, Cosmored, but unless you can prove them, you have little more than another conspiracy theory. Get cracking ace.

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    By all means, present what you think the proper context for their ed and ignorant statments is.

    Unethical, how? Be specific.
    How about specifying how it was ethical first?

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    I'm not going to take time to search.
    Per shocking par

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    For you to think I have that much time on my hands must be because you do.

    Sorry, I have better things to do than look for things you can. I have a life. Don't you?

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