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You're a woman aren't you? If so that would explain a lot.
Did you really just compare us to religious extremists?I don't want to offend anyone, this is just basketball, but...
Your (Fkla, testies, the op...) analysis are based on the same "logic"/mechanism of all those religious extremists.
As rational your logic might looks (sometimes) when you explain it, it's pointless if you only take into account the facts/stats that suits your opinion and it is very effective on those who don't know much about the subject/"newbies".
You guys are en le to your opinion, nothing wrong about not being a fan of TP's game for instance, but again, why so much hate/agressivity toward a player who has the trust of one of the best coach in the history of the game? (not taking into account the 14 years, 4 les...)
Why, despite what you all call a ty season from Tony, Pop and RC offered him a max extention? Just to say thx for what you have done? Or what you will do for us?
When you right your posts, do you think you hold the truth? That you know better than Pop?
Nobody is 'finding stats that suit our opinion'. I don't think there is a single stat that would support your argument that 2014-2015 Enrique is a good player. If you have one that suggests he is a good player then post it. Advanced metrics are a much better argument than your argument...which basically consists of 'well Pop plays him so he must be good' or 'Pop gave him an extension he must be good'. Enrique wouldn't be the first or last bad player to receive heavy minutes or an extension.
You're a woman aren't you? If so that would explain a lot.
sup religious extremist
Read again, I was talking about your logic, not you...Did you really just compare us to religious extremists?
Nobody is 'finding stats that suit our opinion'. I don't think there is a single stat that would support your argument that 2014-2015 Enrique is a good player. If you have one that suggests he is a good player then post it. Advanced metrics are a much better argument than your argument...which basically consists of 'well Pop plays him so he must be good' or 'Pop gave him an extension he must be good'. Enrique wouldn't be the first or last bad player to receive heavy minutes or an extension.
Advanced or not, stats remain ONLY stats, you have to watch to big pictures and facts that are not highlighted by stats. You give them so much importance that you loose common sense...
Again nobody said 2014-15 TONY PARKER (this "Enrique" thing is another "WTF?" / how can you say you are objective when you insult him to start?) was good so stop posting all these useless stats when common sense is enough. This year and particularly since he is injured, mean nothing until he is fit again...
The way Pop is dealing with his "rehab" doesn't help his stats and those are meaningless until Spring...
and thank you for confirming that you really think you are better than Pop!
The fact that you don't understand what Pop is doing doesn't necessarily means that he is wrong, but just that you don't...understand.
PS/ No I'm a guy, what does has anything to do anyway? (the fact that I'm french should be enough!
sorry Evita short bus riders but Parker was a much superior player when in mattered (in the 4th quarter) ALL THROUGHOUT LAST PLAYOFFS
these #s are per 36mins in the 4th quarters:
PTS FG% TOs +/- Parker 21 55 3.8 12.2 Evita 18.6 35 4.4 9.5
we actually won it all despite the turnover machine
wowsorry Evita short bus riders but Parker was a much superior player when in mattered (in the 4th quarter) ALL THROUGHOUT LAST PLAYOFFS
these #s are per 36mins in the 4th quarters:
PTS FG% TOs +/- Parker 21 55 3.8 12.2 Evita 18.6 35 4.4 9.5
we actually won it all despite the turnover machine
Are you saying advanced metrics aren't facts? They support what is happening out on the court so not sure why you are trying to pain them out as being misleading. Enrique can't stay in front of anybody on defense and can't get by the likes of Humphries on offense right now. Until that changes you really have no argument and are just being a French homer.Read again, I was talking about your logic, not you...
Advanced or not, stats remain ONLY stats, you have to watch to big pictures and facts that are not highlighted by stats. You give them so much importance that you loose common sense...
Again nobody said 2014-15 TONY PARKER (this "Enrique" thing is another "WTF?" / how can you say you are objective when you insult him to start?
The way Pop is dealing with his "rehab" doesn't help his stats and those are meaningless until Spring...
and thank you for confirming that you really think you are better than Pop!
The fact that you don't understand what Pop is doing doesn't necessarily means that he is wrong, but just that you don't...understand.
PS/ No I'm a guy, what does has anything to do anyway? (the fact that I'm french should be enough!
Are you really measuring your idol's performance by how he does compared to 37 year old Manu, shortbus? Not to mention the fact that you cherrypicked just one quarter.sorry Evita short bus riders but Parker was a much superior player when in mattered (in the 4th quarter) ALL THROUGHOUT LAST PLAYOFFS
these #s are per 36mins in the 4th quarters:
PTS FG% TOs +/- Parker 21 55 3.8 12.2 Evita 18.6 35 4.4 9.5
we actually won it all despite the turnover machine
let's not forget only one of these 2 guys averaged 11% 3PT shooting percentage in the 4th quarters of the 2012-2013 Finals
Again, i was only using ORrg because that was the stat other people were quoting. To me, stats are a means to an end, and a useful means, but not an end in themselves. James Harden is currently rated statistically in some charts as the best defender in the NBA. Anyone watching knows he's not a better defender than Kawhi, Tony Allen, or Jimmy Butler... but that's what that stat says. I think what "literally supports" Parker is the Spurs having the best record in the league and having a playoff run that was near historic in the point deferential/blowout categories. Again. my question is: How did the Spurs annihilate Portland and Miami when they were playing the "wrong" line ups? It's almost as if people are saying the Spurs won in hugely convincing fashion, but they didn't do it the right way... why were they so successful last season?
By the way-- read all of my posts-- I acknowledge that Parker is no longer at his peak, and want him to shoot more threes. It's not like I'm "Ra-ra Parker, he's the best!" And I've also predicted that there will be more minutes for the Cojo/Mills combo and fewer for Parker in the playoffs.
Ok last try, read the whole sentence/post, not the part that suits you...
I didn't say advanced metrics aren't facts, I said those are not the only ones (management, PT, evolution of the injury...), hence the "look at the big picture".
Highlighting stats of someone who is injured or coming bck from injury (ie not 100%) is irrelevant. AGAIN everybody agrees that Tony sucks right now.
You don't answer about the rest of my post so I guess I made a point...
PS/ I'm no french homer, nor Manu hater or I don't know what, just a spur fan who genuinely don't understand the hate toward a guy you don't even know and a player that did so much for the franchise you love.
I personally don't give a that you are italian mio amico, our nationality is irrelevant...
Here is Tony's on court/ off court stat for last season: http://www.82games.com/1314/1314SAS.HTM
On court: + 6.6
Off court: +8.8
So when Parker sat, and Ginobili & Mills were in (the mostly likely scenario when Tony sat, though others of course occurred too), the Spurs played very well. This is why they were lauded for having the best bench in the league last year. But in this scenario, Manu is often the primary ball handler. That has an important effect on the stats, as Mills is essentially playing SG rather than PG. Mills is a better 3pt shooter than Parker, but he's not a better ball handler. It's great that the second squad was so successful, but I don't think it then becomes a scientific fact that the PG of the first squad sucked.
+6.6 is a good thing.
Ok last try, read the whole sentence/post, not the part that suits you...
I didn't say advanced metrics aren't facts, I said those are not the only ones (management, PT, evolution of the injury...), hence the "look at the big picture".
Highlighting stats of someone who is injured or coming bck from injury (ie not 100%) is irrelevant. AGAIN everybody agrees that Tony sucks right now.
You don't answer about the rest of my post so I guess I made a point...
PS/ I'm no french homer, nor Manu hater or I don't know what, just a spur fan who genuinely don't understand the hate toward a guy you don't even know and a player that did so much for the franchise you love.
I personally don't give a that you are italian mio amico, our nationality is irrelevant...
Sure, there will be anomalies here or there. I'd understand if Enrique was bad in just one cherrypicked metric but he's bad across the board. At that point it stops being a glitch and starts being reality. And posters are calling him a cancer this year...nobody is saying that about the 13-14 version. Until he shows he can get back to that useful level your best option is to just take the criticism head on, bc right now it's warranted.
Well, the rest of your post was about his 'rehab'. He isn't rehabbing. He did that for a month already for a pretty minor injury, Pop has explicitly said there is no more minutes restriction for him and he played the second most minutes on the team just two games ago...I don't think health is the problem. Getting into shape and getting rid of the rust I can see--but getting into shape usually entails regaining stamina not quickness/speed. If Enrique was showing flashes of speed/quickness and it was fading as he fatigued I'd agree that it was only a matter of time before he regained his form but I haven't seen any flashes.Ok last try, read the whole sentence/post, not the part that suits you...
I didn't say advanced metrics aren't facts, I said those are not the only ones (management, PT, evolution of the injury...), hence the "look at the big picture".
Highlighting stats of someone who is injured or coming bck from injury (ie not 100%) is irrelevant. AGAIN everybody agrees that Tony sucks right now.
You don't answer about the rest of my post so I guess I made a point...
PS/ I'm no french homer, nor Manu hater or I don't know what, just a spur fan who genuinely don't understand the hate toward a guy you don't even know and a player that did so much for the franchise you love.
I personally don't give a that you are italian mio amico, our nationality is irrelevant...
The numbers are relevant bc they tell the tale for 2014-2015 Enrique. Until he proves otherwise that's who he is.
Je ne suis pas Italien, mi ami. Je suis:
Splitter's metrics are down across the board this year too... is he a useless player now, or have his stats been influenced by injuries and rust?
why you keep talking about 4th quarters?
Does Enrique play so bad in quarter 1, 2 and 3?
btw Enrique almost never plays in the last quarter, he's always in the bench last 3 or 4 minutes, meanwhile Manu plays most of his minutes during the last quarter.
Last edited by Diego20; 01-16-2015 at 05:28 PM.
Parker played 133 minutes in 4th quarters last playoffs
Manu played 129
idiot
lol? How many minutes Manu averaged in all quarters last playoffs and how many minutes Enrique? Manu plays most of his minutes in the last quarter, Enrique is always in the bench last 3 or 4 minutes (even more).Parker played 133 minutes in 4th quarters last playoffs
Manu played 129
He hasn't been as good. They're not close to as bad as Enrique's though. He's also younger, with less mileage, and physically he doesn't look done.
Enrique OTOH not only has bad metrics but is 33 with tons of mileage and looks considerably slower. Father time catching up seems more probable for him than Splitter.
Somewhat surprising since Tony missed at least two 4th quarters, but when you think about it, we were actually blowing teams away by 20+ points since the Blazers series, so they didn't need to play a whole lot of 4th quarter minutes.
This is actually reflected in the actual low minutes for both in the 4th quarter. Tony played a total 719 mins in the playoffs. If your numbers are right, that means he played only 18% of his total minutes in the 4th quarter.
Manu played 586 total minutes, which makes his 4th quarter mins 22% of his total.
Irish? They all look the same...
How about the numbers of this year?
tbh, dunno where he got the 4th quarter numbers, I took them as legit
The rest of my post was about you thinking you know better than Pop and not trying to see the big picture.
If you really think it's that easy to deal with a hamstring injury when your game is based on speed, then you have never played any sport and/or don't pay attention to what all people with knowledge explain.
Tony explained in an interview these past days that he came back thinking it was ok and re-injured it each time. He even said he feared it could be a kind of career ending injury. So they decided to be extra cautious/conservative with him come back. That's it. All we can do is be patient, wait and see how it evolves.
I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of it.
Your last sentence show that your a "what have you done for me lately" kind of person and just can't see the big picture. I'm still not sure if you just play the spoiled kid as if TP was paid with your daddy's money or if you're just bored and tolling.
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