Spurs: Why in the does spurfan think a system player like Kiwi is a top 15 player?

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Curry
Westbrook
Harden
Durant
LeBron
Rose
Lillard
Aldridge
Thompson
Pau Gasol
Bosh
Howard
Butler
Griffin
Davis
Marc Gasol
Cousins
Beal
Wall

Scottie Pippen comparisons
stupid drunk on chorizo s

[Malik Hairston]

Even ignoring the OP's overall point, this put Derrick Rose and Bradley Beal on his list ..

[Malik Hairston]

Derrick Rose on a best players in 2015 list ..

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Derrick Rose on a best players in 2015 list ..

they are both better than Kiwi
take them off the list and Kiwi still isn't in the top 15

[Malik Hairston]

they are both better than Kiwi
take them off the list and Kiwi still isn't in the top 15

Derrick Rose is literally one of the worst starters in the league, this season..

Bradley Beal has literally accomplished nothing in the NBA..he's not even a top 50 player in the league, he has the advanced metrics of a below average player..

And a few of the players on your list are proven playoff chokers/under-performers(Thompson and Butler, in particular), so if you want to ignore that, that's fine..your list is pretty awful, tbh..

[hater]

I agree fan overrating the Kawhi due to the fact Blazers are probably worst matchup for him

Matthews guarding Kawhi

still, Beal in that list what a stupid OP

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Derrick Rose is literally one of the worst starters in the league, this season..

Bradley Beal has literally accomplished nothing in the NBA..he's not even a top 50 player in the league, he has the advanced metrics of a below average player..

And without Pop, Kiwi would be Danny Green in Cleveland

[Malik Hairston]

Yes, Pop was looking really good before Kawhi arrived, tbh, with his first-round exits and getting swept against Phoenix..

[Josh810]

Beal

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Yes, Pop was looking really good before Kawhi arrived, tbh, with his first-round exits and getting swept against Phoenix..

And 4 rings

[UZER]

Yes, Pop was looking really good before Kawhi arrived, tbh, with his first-round exits and getting swept against Phoenix..

With Bonner being his go to guy

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Beal

Kiwi is not top15PERIOD.

[Malik Hairston]

And 4 rings

And prime Duncan..

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

And prime Duncan..

"But, they play such a team game that Kiwi can't put up raw numbers in"

[Malik Hairston]

"But, they play such a team game that Kiwi can't put up raw numbers in"

It's 2015, nobody uses raw numbers anymore..

Just an example of why Leonard's impact isn't understood by the casual/vanilla NBA fan that still uses PPG as the barometer of greatness, though..

he doesn't average 20 PPG, he must suck

Derrick Rose shoots a lot, he looks so cool!!

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

It's 2015, nobody uses raw numbers anymore..

Just an example of why Leonard's impact isn't understood by the casual/vanilla NBA fan that still uses PPG as the barometer of greatness, though..

he doesn't average 20 PPG, he must suck

Derrick Rose shoots a lot, he looks so cool!!

Glad you can admit Kiwi ain't top 15. That's a good start.

[Brazil]

More the system is working because of Kawhi because without him Spurs and their system sucked ass

[midnightpulp]

Curry
Westbrook
Harden
Durant
LeBron
Rose
Lillard
Aldridge
Thompson
Pau Gasol
Bosh
Howard
Butler
Griffin
Davis
Marc Gasol
Cousins
Beal
Wall

Scottie Pippen comparisons
stupid drunk on chorizo s

I wouldn't trade Kawhi for any of the bolded players. Lilliard is exciting, has a few clutch moments to his name, and a fine scoring PG, but end of the day, he's a PG, and they can only impact the game so much. LMA is a below average defender at his position and is allowing his counterpart to shoot nearly 50% while he shoots 46%. Pau Gasol is 34. Enough said. And Marc is something of a relic in today's NBA. It's no wonder he slimmed down to keep up with the speed of the modern game. The trade off is that his defense seems to be suffering, as he ranks 24th among centers in DRAPM. Beal and Wall are totally unproven and not even worth mentioning.

Meanwhile, Leonard is 2nd in RAPM among small forwards, which is the deepest position talent wise in the NBA. He's the best overall rebounding small forward and perimeter defender in the league. He's also turning into a capable passer now.

Pretty clear cut case for top 15 player. Really no argument against it.

[sook]

Why does everyone think Beal sucks? That guy has a lot of potential, and I think he's going to make that big jump soon.

If you want though, you could replace him with Klay on the list.

And I agree with the rest on Rose...that fool never plays


edit: Klay already on list.

[ohmwrecker]

being a fan of a team with players too dumb to play in a system and coach too dumb to have a system.

[unforeseen]

OP is a got

[Malik Hairston]

Btw..so the Spurs were statistically better when Parker was on the bench in last year's playoffs, that's a fact..

And OP thinks Duncan had little to do with the le run, and Kawhi is just a role player..

So, how exactly did the Spurs pull off arguably the greatest playoffs run in NBA history, tbh?..was it all Manu? Splitter?

[Clipper Nation]

Harlem nailing the got OP to the tree of woe, tbh.

[ElNono]

OP went to the Chaz school of talent evaluation... that list... smh

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Btw..so the Spurs were statistically better when Parker was on the bench in last year's playoffs, that's a fact..

And OP thinks Duncan had little to do with the le run, and Kawhi is just a role player..

So, how exactly did the Spurs pull off arguably the greatest playoffs run in NBA history, tbh?..was it all Manu? Splitter?

lol Spurs had a free pass after beating Dallas. Their only threat had a major injury again