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Wow. So I guess this is a best/favorite player thread afterall. What a complete cluster ...
Wait, how come some people here are saying that this was Timmy's team since the very beginning when he was drafted and not D-Rob's? Are you guys basing your opinions on seniority, accolades, best player, favorite player, or what? Then why are you guys so pissed about people saying this is Kawhi's team now even though Timmy was obviously here first? WTF?? Doesn't make any sense. I'm basing my opinions on seniority, btw.
Wow. So I guess this is a best/favorite player thread afterall. What a complete cluster ...
Tim Duncan was a number 1 draft pick, talk of the country, one of the most awaited college players to go pro, expected to be the franchise player that he became. Kawhi was a 15th pick, expected to be a great wing to an old-declining team.
Okay, so you're basing your opinion on accolades.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact that answers your question
It's not an opinion, it's a fact that answers your question
Full Definition of ACCOLADE
1
a : a ceremonial embrace
b : a ceremony or salute conferring knighthood
2
a : a mark of acknowledgment : award
b : an expression of praise
... That's what you're basing your opinion on, genius.
I love Duncan but you do realize it is 2015 right? Duncan hasn't been a 20-10 guy for a while, playoffs or regular season.
Full Definition of ACCOLADE
1
a : a ceremonial embrace
b : a ceremony or salute conferring knighthood
2
a : a mark of acknowledgment : award
b : an expression of praise
... That's what you're basing your opinion on, genius.
Why are you so mad?
You asked a question why people had no problem when Tim was already considered the man when he was drafted and why alot are against Kawhi being "the man" today. I just showed you the difference, the expectations( being the best player in college compared to being a solid wing who couldn't shoot), yes the accolades and those are facts. And not opinions. It isn't even about seniority "genius", it's what the player brings to the team. Rookie TD was already a better player than an old, declining, post-injury DRob. While Kawhi being the best player on the Spurs today, his numbers aren't head-and-shoulders above the production that Duncan makes and is clearly inferior to the emotional and mental strength that the presence of TD gives to the team. Duncan led the team's minutes last year in the playoffs, had the highest ppg and rpg before the finals, etc2. Old Drob wasn't this productive. Thus, it's harder for people now to accept/consider Kawhi being "the man" when a soon to be 39 year old is still putting up the kind of numbers he put up last playoffs and this season.
I really don't know why you got so over emotional over this
I'm not pissed. You're being obnoxious as usual. Whatever, you're a ing idiot, and obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.Why are you so mad?
You asked a question why people had no problem when Tim was already considered the man when he was drafted and why alot are against Kawhi being "the man" today. I just showed you the difference, the expectations, yes the accolades and those are facts. And not opinions. It isn't even about seniority "genius", it's what the player brings to the team. Rookie TD was already a better player than an old, declining, post-injury DRob. While Kawhi being the best player on the Spurs today, his numbers aren't head-and-shoulders above the production that Duncan makes and is clearly inferior to the emotional and mental strength that the presence of TD gives to the team. Duncan led the team's minutes last year in the playoffs, had the highest ppg and rpg before the finals, etc2. Old Drob wasn't this productive. Thus, it's harder for people now to accept/consider Kawhi being "the man" when a soon to be 39 year old is still putting up the kind of numbers he put up last playoffs and this season.
I really don't know why you got so over emotional over this
Duncan doesnt take games off in the playoffs. If the team revolved around kawhi we wouldn't have passed the first round.
The irony
Better than being a BNGNSF anyday. Now get lost and learn some English.The irony
Does anyone know what legacy is trying to say? There are a myriad of elements people use to choose who is the leader and it doesn't need to be so basic like what he is trying to do.
If the team revolved around anyone they wouldn't have won. They won because they were a team and guys stepped up when they had favorable matchups.
Yeah, I was just being simplistic and basing my opinion on seniority, like I said. Not trying to overthink the question, that's all. And you're right, there are a myriad of elements-- which 100%Dumb doesn't seem to understand.
Kawhi's numbers at age 23 are comparable to Pippen's at the same age:
holy crap those are some epic statsKawhi's numbers at age 23 are comparable to Pippen's at the same age:
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FMVPippen: 26
Enrique: 8
Kawhi's numbers at age 23 are comparable to Pippen's at the same age:
I'm a huge fan of both players, but these stats pretty much prove their own irrelevance. Leonard has a higher ORtg and a lower DRtg, but Pippen has a better VORP. That makes no sense.
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VORP is a ulative stat , not a rate stat. It's pretty much meaningless in this comparison(since they've played different amounts of games). If you're dead set on comparing the two using the advanced numbers, BPM is better.
That's just it-- I'm not dead set. Dead set means you don't have an open mind, and I'd say an open mind is the best tool to use in evaluation of a player.
You claimed that ALL the stats were irrelevant based on the VORP discrepancy(which was a dumb comparison to make in the first place). What the does ORtg/Drtg have to with VORP in the first place
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