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    Multiyear(prior informed) RPM and RAPM for the 2015 season were just posted recently.

    2015 RPM

    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com..._RPM_2015.html

    Leonard is 4th in the entire league.
    Duncan is 17th.
    Manu is 20th.

    Pretty obvious that TD, Ginobili, and Kawhi are the big three for the team. Looked that way last year too. In case you're wondering where Enrique is, you gotta scroll down quite a bit to find him. I took all the Spurs players and put them in one list for easy viewing:



    And here's the RAPM numbers.

    2015 RAPM

    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com...RAPM_2015.html

    Again, I took all the Spurs players and put them in one list to make it easier for those that don't want to search through the entire list:

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    Where's parker?

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    Bottom of the list alongside Cancereli it seems

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    Bottom of the list alongside Cancereli it seems
    Oh..I thought you just missed him on that list..

    I usually don't bother looking at the bottom and seeing ayres names there and the rest of the scrubs.

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    but Enrique hit some really clutch jumpers when the Spurs were only up by double digits

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    Another try hard thread.


    lol

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    Spurs were up 8 when he hit the three
    Oh he is only shorting 56 from downtown

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    TP is working himself back into shape... good think there's still another half a season ahead of us.

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    Oh..I thought you just missed him on that list..

    I usually don't bother looking at the bottom and seeing ayres names there and the rest of the scrubs.
    Pretty shocking that his overall impact is worse than 2014-2015 Kobe Bryant. Parker should be extremely fortunate that he's played his entire career in San Antonio. He wouldn't have had a Hall of Fame career on another team.

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    Pendergraph

    Cancerneli also

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    TP is working himself back into shape... good think there's still another half a season ahead of us.
    Yep, very true.

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    TP is working himself back into shape... good think there's still another half a season ahead of us.
    At this point, I'd rather have TP make a concerted effort on defense instead of saving his energy for his mostly useless offense. Blocked layups and bricked jumpers aren't going to help the team all that much. An improvement on defense would allow for more diverse lineups. At the moment, we can't even play Tony and Marco together due to the ultra ty defense they both play. This Spurs team can afford to have one bad defender in their lineup but two pretty much ruins the entire defensive gameplan.

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    Multiyear(prior informed) RAPM for the 2015 season was just posted recently. Here's the link:

    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com...RAPM_2015.html

    Leonard is 4th in the entire league.
    Duncan is 17th.
    Manu is 20th.

    Pretty obvious that TD, Ginobili, and Kawhi are the big three for the team. Looked that way last year too. In case you're wondering where Enrique is, you gotta scroll down quite a bit to find him. I took all the Spurs players and put them in one list for easy viewing:


    but Enrique is shooting very well from 3P (small size)

    too bad hater, TGY and others Enrique fan boys won't see this thread

    they would keep calling him MVParker because hey, his surname starts with a P

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    Numbers don't lie. Parker has been poor this season and barely adequate late last season as well.

    That said, all of this is just a function of bad health and brittle injuries. Once Parker is whole again, he will return atleast close to levels that he reached only about a year and a half ago, when he was clearly the third best player in the league behind James & Durant. Parker basically carried the Spurs from 2011-13.

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    No way, Daye is ahead of Enrique?

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    Ugh, its tough seeing tp play like this. Hurts even more that his name is lumped in with the likes of belinelli and daye.

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    Ugh, its tough seeing tp play like this. Hurts even more that his name is lumped in with the likes of belinelli and daye.
    Well one thing we can all agree on is that Marco is a god awful player. Dude comes out terrible in just about every metric. Useless piece of he is.

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    sure an injured parker sucks. what a discovery

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    Right. Adjusted on/off numbers are meaningless for injured players working their way back. I also expect most posters relying on these ridiculous Bayesian concoctions do not understand the myriad shortcomings with these numbers. I expect TP to have terrible 2015 season numbers thus far. He came back too early from injury and played half-speed in many others.

    If I had the time, which I do not, I could provide horrible RAPM numbers for great players during a period in which they struggled with injuries. I could also provide RAPM's that are very high for players most would recognize as middling or only decent. For example, RAPM can overrate glue guys that put a good lineup over the top. This is because no matter what RAPM will always be calculated using data for a player in a lineup and against specific matchups. It is inescapable and "correcting" for it only happens if there was mixing and matching of a player in different lineups to improve the data (which does not apply for most teams, Spurs excepted more than anything), and then by extrapolating.

    Globally, RAPM is somewhat meaningful, but on the same global basis, it isn't that much different in insight (and will have a similar number of misfires) from using raw stats + human judgment, which may over-rate inefficient players and poor defenders, or PER which overrates offense.

    RAPM is often called the most accurate predictive single stat. But this is damning praise given the absence of any really comparable stat.

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    Tony is ranked 12th in RAPM for the 2014 season by the same number cruncher. That overrates him and is actually better than his 2013 season RAPM. Perfect example where the number fails.

    Leonard is way down the 2014 list, and the only Spur higher than TP is Manu.


    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2014.html

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    Tony is ranked 12th in RAPM for the 2014 season by the same number cruncher. That overrates him and is actually better than his 2013 season RAPM. Perfect example where the number fails.

    Leonard is way down the 2014 list, and the only Spur higher than TP is Manu.


    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2014.html
    dat Parker better than Kevin Durant dat Manu number 6

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    Right. Adjusted on/off numbers are meaningless for injured players working their way back. I also expect most posters relying on these ridiculous Bayesian concoctions do not understand the myriad shortcomings with these numbers. I expect TP to have terrible 2015 season numbers thus far. He came back too early from injury and played half-speed in many others.

    If I had the time, which I do not, I could provide horrible RAPM numbers for great players during a period in which they struggled with injuries. I could also provide RAPM's that are very high for players most would recognize as middling or only decent. For example, RAPM can overrate glue guys that put a good lineup over the top. This is because no matter what RAPM will always be calculated using data for a player in a lineup and against specific matchups. It is inescapable and "correcting" for it only happens if there was mixing and matching of a player in different lineups to improve the data (which does not apply for most teams, Spurs excepted more than anything), and then by extrapolating.

    Globally, RAPM is somewhat meaningful, but on the same global basis, it isn't that much different in insight (and will have a similar number of misfires) from using raw stats + human judgment, which may over-rate inefficient players and poor defenders, or PER which overrates offense.

    RAPM is often called the most accurate predictive single stat. But this is damning praise given the absence of any really comparable stat.
    Tony is ranked 12th in RAPM for the 2014 season by the same number cruncher. That overrates him and is actually better than his 2013 season RAPM. Perfect example where the number fails.

    Leonard is way down the 2014 list, and the only Spur higher than TP is Manu.


    http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2014.html
    The defense rests.

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    ouch

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    I wish Jonhy Dingo could make us a wrap up just for Spurs players on 2014 numbers tbh... he is more talented than I am to format those things

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