Je suis Charlie

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Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.

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Islam as a whole is quite in the dark ages.

If one looks globally at the entirety of people that profess to be muslim, you will find the vast majority live in poor, uneducated countries. There is a rather large percentage, if not a plurality of muslims that are outright illiterate, if memory serves.

This is not conducive to spontaneous change, IMO.

Polls of muslims globally consistently show them to be outright believers in conspiracy theories and all sorts of rubbish ideas. You yourself alluded to it when you rightly pointed out how the rest of the world tends to view the US, i.e. through the lense of Gitmo and Abu Gharaib.

There was a guy on NPR the other day sayings that in the Koran the only place, IIRC, it talks about people disparaging Muslim religion, Mohammed's advice was to walk away, NOT kill them.

The we see today is in the "sayings" of Mohammed which were written down 2 centuries after his death, 2 centuries of oral tradition of "he said", with the undoubted twisted, errors, additions, bias of the speakers.

Parallels with the Bible, where Jesus wasn't considered to be a god, to be divine in His lifetime, but only so several decades after His death, in a marketing, selling effort to boost Christianity's appeal vs all the other competing world views.

[romain.star]

Personally, I'd rather get killed shooting back than being unarmed and just ting my pants waiting for him to pull the trigger.

So you feel safer with a gun to protect yourself but if you look at statistics, this does not make a lot of sense. Here is the Homicide by firearm rate (per 100.000):
in the US, it is 2,97
in France, it is 0,06

Source: UNODC anual survey


I get that you come from Texas but those are facts which are hardly deniable. More guns brings more blood.

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More guns brings more blood.

Behind the 2nd amendment, home defense LIES and PROPAGANDA of the BigGun industry/marketing proxies of the NRA/GOA, more guns primarily brings more profits.

The side effect of 10Ks more injuries and deaths per year? Well BigGun/NRA/GOA don't give a . Guns are for killing.

A gun fellator owns an average 9+ guns.

[romain.star]

Behind the 2nd amendment, home defense LIES and PROPAGANDA of the BigGun industry/marketing proxies of the NRA/GOA, more guns primarily brings more profits.

The side effect of 10Ks more injuries and deaths per year? Well BigGun/NRA/GOA don't give a . Guns are for killing.

A gun fellator owns an average 9+ guns.

You are right about it Sir but most of the US citizens do not get any kind of profit out of it (in 2013, the Firearms and Ammunition Industry represented grossly 245K employees)

Still, there are millions of Americans who refuse to see that more guns brings more blood. Why? I'm not sure but I guess it's a mix of historical legacy, lack of education and NRA propaganda

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http://www.straitstimes.com/news/wor...obama-20150117


WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week’s shootings in Paris.
At a White House news conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron, his first foreign guest since last week’s Charlie Hebdo massacre, Obama said the allies would stand by France.
But he also warned that the answer to the recent violence must not simply be a security crackdown.
“I know David joins me when I say that we will continue to do everything in our power to help France seek the justice that is needed, and that all our countries are working together seamlessly to prevent attacks and to defeat these terrorist networks,” Obama said.
Obama said the Paris attacks “underscored how terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIL (ISIS) are actively trying to inspire and support people within our own countries to engage in terrorism.”
The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from Islamic militant cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.
“Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition,” he said.
“There are parts of Europe in which that’s not the case... it’s important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems.”
And he added: “There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that’s going to be important over time.”
He said the United States would hold a summit in February on countering violent extremism and the threat of radicalised Islamist fighters returning to their home countries from the war in Syria.
“David and the United Kingdom continue to be strong partners in this work, including sharing intelligence and strengthening border security,” he said, dubbing Britain an “indispensable ally.”
THREATS TO STABILITY
Cameron said the two had agreed to set up “a joint group to identify what more we can do to counter the rise of domestic violent extremism and to learn from one another.”
He described the battle facing Western governments as a “long, patient and hard struggle” and dubbed the enemy a “poisonous fanatical death cult... perverting the religion of Islam.”
The United States and Britain already cooperate closely in global electronic surveillance, and Cameron said the two leaders had agreed to deepen their cooperation on cyber-security.
In a separate statement, the White House said the US National Security Agency and FBI would form a joint cyber-security cell with British domestic intelligence MI5 and eavesdropping agency GCHQ.
This will speed intelligence sharing and strengthen the allies’ defences against cyber-attacks from foreign governments and criminals, the leaders said.
The partners will begin their reinforced cooperation with a year-long exercise to test and strengthen the defences of the financial sector.
In recent weeks, Washington has been embarrassed by the seizure of a military Twitter account by Islamic militant sympathisers and angered by North Korea’s alleged hacking of Hollywood studio Sony Pictures.
But trans-Atlantic partnership has also had successes.
A young hacker – suspected of taking part in attacks that shut down online gaming platforms over Christmas – was arrested Friday in a joint operation with the FBI and British police.
Obama, 53, is beginning his last two years in office, while Cameron, 48, is preparing for general elections in May that are expected to be very close and could mark the end of his coalition government.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/wor....kvCQA2YZ.dpuf

obama said

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Still, there are millions of Americans who refuse to see that more guns brings more blood. Why?

Americans are pretty stupid, and believe any of if they hear it enough times.

A poll last weeks showed 80% of them wanted all food containing DNA to be labeled so.

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How the ‘ban’ on images of Muhammad came to be





http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/h...e+Raw+Story%29

Sounds like Muslim "man" made up a bunch , not Mohammed, just like the Catholic "man", and like today's Protestant "prophets" whom God "reveals to".

[pgardn]

The imam condemns the Paris attacks. "Our religion does not condone violence. By committing this act, they threatened security in this country -- including our security," he says. Of course the conditions are difficult in Croix-Rouge, says Khalifa. "But I know many young men who simply don't want to work. I was an engineer in Syria, but here I work at the market in the morning and in my shop in the afternoon."
Young men should make more of an effort, he says. "Instead, they hang around, and they don't even come to Friday prayers. They are lost. And that makes them easy to manipulate.

From Der Spiegel


One recipe for increasing the probability of the rank and file terrorist:

Poverty + young males. Males from 13-25 who have had no opportunities to become relevant in their own eyes are the fodder for the more advanced radicalized intellectual zealots. Paris is a breeding ground. The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith. We don't have slums based on religion. I find this interesting. If you have a synagogue, Baptist Church, Maronite Christian Church, mosque, all in close proximity, suggest a get together BBQ and talk about the public schools they share. Then start a good round of math compe ion for the kiddos.

Would be nice if it actually occurs.

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"The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith."

Muslims, esp young males, aren't integrated into French society because of French racism.

"We don't have slums based on religion"

Neither does France. Just like USA, France has slums based poverty arising from racism.

[pgardn]

"The US has been a much more receptive place in integrating people of faith."

Muslims, esp young males, aren't integrated into French society because of French racism.

"We don't have slums based on religion"

Neither does France. Just like USA, France has slums based poverty arising from racism.

Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?
Racism is race based, not belief based. The largest Muslim population is in Indonesia, they have a completely different background than Muslims in the Mideast. The largest catholic population resides in the Phillipines. Filipinos are not Italian.
I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often.
"just a bit outside"

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"Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?"

probably 90%+ of the people in the Paris surbuban slums from the Magreb, or their parents are: Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco. NOT a wide variety

"Racism is race based, not belief based."

duh

only about 2M of the 6M Muslims in France are devout, or practice their religion.

"I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often."

what is your point, o pointless one?Indonesia is 88% Muslim, NOT the discriminated mintorty, with I think is the Chinese.

The Maghrebins in France, whether they are practicing Muslims, or not, are the minority. And like nearly all "foreign" minorities, they suffer from discrimination by the majority, just like in US.

[RandomGuy]

(shrugs)

It isn't like a secret that educational attainment in the developing world, where the majority of muslims live is poor. But , let's fact check my memory.

Take the top five largest muslim populations, comprising 50% of the estimtated 1.6bn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Egypt

CIA fact book lists current literacy rates:

Indonesia literacy 92%
Pakistan 54%
India 62%
Bangladesh 57%
Egypt 73%
Nigeria 61%
Iran 85%

So not a plurality.

The largest five populations have a ulative 68% average literacy rate, probably making it a pretty fair approximation for the overall average.

3 out of every 10, can't read.

If one drills down a bit deeper, educational attainment of those that actually are literate, is almost assuredly far, far behind that of the west.

Given that religiosity and education are inversely correlated, one can see the vast depth of redneck idiot equivalents for the ISIS type ideologies to draw on and have fester.

You get all sorts of ed conspiracy theories
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Conspiracy_Theories

1 Accidents and Natural Disasters
1.1 December 2004 Tsunami caused by Indians, Israelis and Americans
1.2 Sinai shark attacks could be Israeli plot
2 Diseases and Disorders
2.1 Americans and Christians responsible for the creation and spread of AIDS
2.2 Americans lacing polio vaccines with anti-fertility agent to sterilizes Muslim children
2.3 Israeli melons exported to Arab country infected with AIDS
2.4 Israelis are dropping libido-boosting ‘sex gum’ in Gaza
2.5 Mossad plot to import Israeli uni-sex hair product which causes infertility to Egypt
2.6 Peace treaty with Israel causes endemic diseases; cancers, hepa is, and kidney infections
3 Free Speech
3.1 Danish Muhammad cartoons "part of Zionist plot"
3.2 "Qur'an burnings" a part of a Zionist conspiracy
4 History
4.1 Entire nation of Switzerland a "Jewish plot"
4.2 San Jose (Saint Joseph), California, really named after 'Saint Hussein'
5 Islamic Terrorism
5.1 Indian or American agents responsible for Osama bin Laden "revenge" attacks
5.2 Non-Muslims responsible for the 7/7 Bombings
5.3 Jewish involvement in 9/11 attacks (including claim that 4000 Jews skipped work on that day)
5.4 Zionists responsible for the Alexandria Church Bombing
5.5 Boko Haram an American conspiracy to destroy Islam in Nigeria
5.6 Jews and other Zionists behind the Boston Bombings
6 Muslim Brotherhood
6.1 Jews secretly allied with the Muslim Brotherhood, using them to control Muslims
6.2 US allied with its "paid confederates", the Muslim Brotherhood, against Egypt
7 People
7.1 Barack Obama is a "Muslim"
7.2 Mu'ammar Gaddafi was secretly a Jew
8 Soft Drinks
8.1 Pork extracts in colas
8.2 Coca-Cola logo is anti-Islamic
8.3 Pepsi a Zionist acronym
9 Supernatural and Science Fictional
9.1 Mobile phone virus that kills the recipient
9.2 Sudanese men and their disappearing penises
9.3 The West stealing water from clouds, causing droughts in the Middle East
10 Miscellaneous
10.1 Iranian TV report exposes "Zionist" companies
10.2 Tom and Jerry a "Zionist cartoon conspiracy"
10.3 Selling alcohol in Jammu and Kashmir, part of a "well planned conspiracy"
10.4 Jews training wild boars and pigs to make scary sounds and uproot Arabs' trees
10.5 US and UK Zionists using money from Jews to spread sexuality in order to control the world

Which would be sad, but stupidity can be lethal:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/p...racy-theories/

Polio cases e in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories

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"Polio cases e in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories"

no conspiracy: CIA collected DNA samples by sending people around OBL's neighborhood and into his compound for fake vaccines.

So blame those polio victims on the CIA going after OBL for destroying WTC for USA occupying Saudi Arabia and supporting Israel. Of course Pakistan was "guilty (in the USA)" of welcoming OBL.

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"Polio cases e in Pakistan over vaccination conspiracy theories"

no conspiracy: CIA collected DNA samples by sending people around OBL's neighborhood and into his compound for fake vaccines.

So blame those polio victims on the CIA going after OBL for destroying WTC for USA occupying Saudi Arabia and supporting Israel. Of course Pakistan was "guilty (in the USA)" of welcoming OBL.

How the CIA’s Fake Vaccination Campaign Endangers Us All


http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...angers-us-all/

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The cycle of anti-Muslim discrimination in France is likely to worsen

Muslims in France and the French host population are locked in a discriminatory equilibrium. This is the conclusion, summarized in our soon-to-be publishedbook, of a six-year research program that investigates whether and why Muslims are discriminated against in France.

In 2009, we organized behavioral games in Paris in which “rooted” French (French with no recent immigrant background) interacted with Muslim and Christian immigrants. With the exception of their religion, these Muslim and Christian immigrants were similar. They hail from the same two ethnic groups and the same socio-economic class in Senegal and migrated to France at the same time (the 1970s) and for the same economic reasons.

Our behavioral games allowed us to compare the level of trust and altruism that rooted French exhibit toward Muslim immigrants and their Christian counterparts by having them play simultaneously a trust game and a dictator game.

The research shows basic bias against Muslims

Our results show that, while the rooted French do not distrust Muslims any more than Christians, they are less altruistic toward Muslims.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/t...e+Raw+Story%29

[pgardn]

"Why are the slums around Paris predominately Muslim from a fairly wide variety of places?"

probably 90%+ of the people in the Paris surbuban slums from the Magreb, or their parents are: Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco. NOT a wide variety

"Racism is race based, not belief based."

duh

only about 2M of the 6M Muslims in France are devout, or practice their religion.

"I think you see the point...But then again you are the Great Boots, you miss often."

what is your point, o pointless one?Indonesia is 88% Muslim, NOT the discriminated mintorty, with I think is the Chinese.

The Maghrebins in France, whether they are practicing Muslims, or not, are the minority. And like nearly all "foreign" minorities, they suffer from discrimination by the majority, just like in US.

The point is that Indonesians are not of the same racial background. It would be interesting to see how they would be treated in a city like Paris. And wrong on the Muslims in Paris. Morocco is a very different place even if from the same North African region.

And what? Not all minorities are discriminated against, even in the US. Your blanket statements are absurd.

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The point is that Indonesians are not of the same racial background. It would be interesting to see how they would be treated in a city like Paris. And wrong on the Muslims in Paris. Morocco is a very different place even if from the same North African region.

And what? Not all minorities are discriminated against, even in the US. Your blanket statements are absurd.

it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrim...se_Indonesians

[pgardn]

it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrim...se_Indonesians

Oh you mean like Great Britian in India?

Fool...

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Oh you mean like Great Britian in India?

Fool...

the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.

[pgardn]

the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.

Stop making blanket statements for Christ sakes and then adding disclaimers how bout it...
Are Indians discriminated harshly against in the US? The answer is no. Why not?

[pgardn]

it's ALWAYS the native majority vs the foreigner minority that DOMINATES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrim...se_Indonesians

And boots, emoticons are a sign of weakness in argument in your case. Stop using them.
Be an adult and type.

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the invader with military superiority over the indigenous is NOT what we are talking about, and the British minority finally got kicked out by the majority

Pakis and Indians in UK are discriminated against minorities.

Because they occupy other peoples land

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Stop making blanket statements for Christ sakes and then adding disclaimers how bout it...
Are Indians discriminated harshly against in the US? The answer is no. Why not?

very simple, they are a tiny percentage of the population compared with much much larger segment of blacks and browns. the American racists (white males who think they are Christian) don't feel threatened by South Asians in USA.

Sweden used to sniff at USA's pervasive, blatnant racism until Sweden started having an increasing percentage of foreigners (like refugess for AMERICA's wars), then Swedish racism started getting loud.