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Ayers to Portland for a 1st swap. Ayers + whatever to Portland for better or more draft and an open spot for Glen Rice Jr.
And also, if the spurs don't send Ayers back to Portland right now, they show precisely how flawed i've been preaching about.
Ayers to Portland for a 1st swap. Ayers + whatever to Portland for better or more draft and an open spot for Glen Rice Jr.
But they're not! They suck as much as your basketball analysis.
Next year could be a different story. They'll have another lottery pick on their roster, and maybe sign a FA or something. For now, they're trash.
Would you trade a first round pick for Olynyk? I think he could possibly be as good or better than Greg Monroe for 60% of Monroe's asking price.
Nope. For two straight years, he's been a barely above average PER player, and both seasons, his ORtg and DRtg have been identical. He doesn't move the needle enough to give up an asset for.
Sure. That's better than the Spurs can hope to draft.
Is stevens a bad coach? Is ainge a bad gm? What is Smart, Bradley, Young, Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, Prince, Turner missing?
Untrue, I suspect that Kaminsky will fall - it's the usual talent vs. overwhelming athleticism thing - just like Anderson last year...
But why are they missing the wins?
Because they suck. Try to follow the dotted lines. Bad players = few wins.
Is there anything you base this on other than wishful thinking? The Celtics have an average winning margin of -2.0. They have essentially the same record as the other teams with a -2 to -2.3 except for the Bobcats (which a case can be made that they are overachieving). Nothing indicates that the Celtics are anything other than a lottery team (although they should come in 3rd in their division if you want to hang your hat on that).
I'd say the biggest piece that would help would be an upgrade at the small forward position.
Prince too old, and young is too young. One person offers a real theory. I would point to injuries and the dream rotation not being the actual rotation. So Stevens has some Pop in him. Bass won't go away. Green and Rondo shoulda been traded before preseason. Those would be my little seen diagnosis. I think the 3's are fine.
Consider the following 3 lines, (per 48)
Rebounds 6.4 8.9 7.8 Assists 8.9 9.5 6.3 Turnovers 4.7 4.2 3.7 Blocks 0.6 0.4 0.6 Steals 2.0 1.8 2.6 Fouls 4.2 3.8 3.7
The first is current Manu. The second is a 26 year old wing, who is not held in exceptionally high regard by his team. The third is Prime (06/07) Ginobili
The obvious point I'm leaving out here is scoring.
So here it is
Pts 22.3 16.5 29.6 FG% 42.6 42.9 46.4 TS% 54.4 48.2 60.9 FGA 17.8 15.8 20.4 3FGA 7.8 2.5 7.7 FTA 6.2 3.0 8.9 % of FG's asst 59 38 59
Again, current Manu, Other player, Prime Manu.
Obviously, our mystery player doesn't score like Manu. He doesn't draw fouls, nor shoot the 3 as much. The other key number, however, is the percentage of fg's assisted. Manu gets 50% more setups; In the Spurs system, it seems likely that Mr. Mystery could get more efficient.
Mr. Mystery is Evan Turner (Boston). He's on an expiring next year (approximately $3.5 million). He's not Manu, but our second unit looks much better with a strongly creative wing sharing PG with our backups. IMO Turner is undervalued, and if we can pick him up halfway cheap, say pick two of three: ( Mills or a Cojo/Baynes S&T ), ( 2015 and 2016 second round picks ), (swap picks 25 & 55 for 33), we should do so. Also, with our ability to get players better looks, his scoring might pick up a fair bit...
One trade target I'd love to see the Spurs pursue: Josh McRoberts. After having the best year of his career in Charlotte, he missed the whole season with Miami because of knee surgery. He's still only 28 yrs old, and the Heat have to re-sign free agents Wade, Dragic, and possibly Deng. Whiteside and Bosh will be the starting bigs next year, so McRoberts might be expendable...
Don't see the need to take a risk - major knee surgery is something I want to see the results from before I commit to a player. Especially because Jerebko might be a better, cheaper option and is a UFA.
I think I agree but in a list of off-season options, it's a good one to add. McRoberts has better court vision and passing skills than Jerebko, which would be nice in the Spurs' system.
I think Timmy is going to announce his retirement the way Robinson did. We'll know all season, that it's his last season. I think it could happen this summer, especially if the Spurs win the championship again. And i absolutely expect a repeat. That said, could a good case be made for trading the 17 1st round pick for a spot in this summers draft where the Spurs could draft Kaminsky? Hear me out.
The pick is going to have appeal. People may expect a post-Timmy tanking, there should be some takers. We know Leonard is the next great Spur. Let's say you don't think Kaminsky is Dirk 2.0, and wouldn't be Pops wet dream. Who else could you get in this years draft, for the Spurs 17 1st rounder? Give that player Timmy's final season, to groom. And don't forget Kawhi. How high is that 17 1st even going to be, without Tim?
Turner's career Offensive Rtg is 96 which is terrible, and has never broken 100 for a season. Its not that he doesn't score, its that he does so at an incredibly inefficient rate like many of his stats. His career Defensive rtg is 105 which would be equal to Manu's worst season defensively. There is a reason he is valued at what he is. He would probably be more productive with the Spurs but if your banking on him assuming the Ginobili role, your going to be disappointed, Tyreke Evans is probably the closest thing at this point and its doubtful the Spurs could get him without significantly reducing their depth.
BTW if he is undervalued, the asking price should be far below giving up Mills or Cojo/Baynes + multiple 2nd rounders.
Trade idea:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ol4ojgz
Phil gets Tony
We get a defensive PG and a Beli replacement
Boston gets a stretch 4
^Almost bad enough to make me want to close this thread, tbh.
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