Stats show that no quarterback gets more help than Struggle Wilson

[Clipper Nation]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...russell-wilson

Avante spurraider21 get in here and this !

[spurraider21]

according to their findings Andrew Luck gets more help than Tom Brady ... and we saw how the pats roster was just heads and toes above the colts

but yeah, i'm sure wilson gets help... seahawks have an elite defense and one of the best running backs in the league. they obviously need ways to compensate for their horrid collection of weapons in the passing game. their offensive line thrives in run blocking and is mediocre in pass protection. as i've said many times, their roster is not built to be pass happy at all. that said, wilson still tends to put up good individual numbers. he's not immune to having some terrible games, like against Dallas earlier in the year and against Green Bay in the NFC championship game this year.

i dont get why this is such a revelation to you though ... and article that says a team with a great defense can make up for poor offensive performances

[Malik Hairston]

Well, ya, this should be obvious to anybody..

[Clipper Nation]

seahawks have an elite defense and one of the best running backs in the league. they obviously need ways to compensate for their horrid collection of weapons in the passing game.

Including their quarterback.

[spurraider21]

Including their quarterback.

higher QBR than Rivers

wilson does well with his attempts, they're obviously not built to be a high-volume passing team. it would waste their best offensive player in Lynch.

[Clipper Nation]

it would waste their best offensive player in Lynch.

Philo finally admitting that Lynch is the alpha and Team Leader

[spurraider21]

Philo finally admitting that Lynch is the alpha and Team Leader

he's their best offensive player... he's an elite RB and Wilson isn't an elite QB. that's not really questioned by anybody (though avante might say Wilson is elite)

but QB is still the most impactful and least replaceable position. Prime Adrian Peterson was a force the league hasn't seen the likes if which in quite some time, but the Vikings offenses overall were still mediocre despite that (except for the Favre year) because they were held back by mediocre quarterbacks. the seahawks had Lynch before Wilson, and he was the same Lynch.

LT was the best player on the Chargers offenses when he was at his peak... that doesn't mean Rivers was an afterthought though.

go back to basically any recent superbowl champ and tell me those QB's didn't have help. maybe they didn't quite have defenses like Seattle, but they probably had better passing weapons, etc

[Clipper Nation]

but QB is still the most impactful and least replaceable position

Not on the Seahawks

[spurraider21]

Not on the Seahawks

on any team

even having a merely average, competent QB is huge in today's league. if you have a bad QB, ur entirely ed. and if you hit the reset button on the QB position (ie, allow Wilson to walk so you can keep other players), it can ruin the window of a good roster. it can take 2-3 years to develop a QB, and even longer if your first QB doesn't pan out

look at this year's texans tbh... they have a pretty damn good roster, but the lack of even a competent QB really ed them over. same with cleveland (browns were doing fine when Hoyer was playing average ball to start the year). put russell wilson on Houston and they were easily a playoff team and probably a division winner

[Avante]

I said back before he ever took an NFL snap that this kid would be special and what have we seen? He's went 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. He's went 6-1 in playoff games. His stats on a par with any other third year QB ever. Most wins by any QB in three seasons. Only third year QB to start in two SB's.

He is everything I said he would be.

And....he's never had a great TE or wide receiver.

Imagine this guy with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison and Dallas Clark or Isacc Bruce, Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk out of the back field. Give him The Gronk or a Calvin Johnson.

Anyone not seeing the stress he puts on a defense doesn't understand the game. A defender knows where Peyton/Tom will be, there no fear at all of them hurting you with their legs....none. Totally different deal with Russell Wilson.

This weakass....he has a running game, a stud defense.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Only a know nothing would play that totally ignoring the fact he has no stud receivers backing anyone off, receivers that can be single covered.

Russell Wilson is a great young talent the most dynamic QB playing today, the best runner/passer the game has ever seen.

I like doing this.

Only 300 passer/100 rusher in a game.
Only NFC QB to throw for 26 TD's as a rookie.
Highest passer rating of any third year QB.
Most wins ever by a third year QB.
Only third year QB to start two SB's.
Left the NCAA as the all time passing efficency leader.

How anyone cannot get all that....?????


Stats prove Russell Wilson is already an elite quarterback

[Clipper Nation]

I said back before he ever took an NFL snap that this kid would be special and what have we seen? He's went 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. He's went 6-1 in playoff games. His stats on a par with any other third year QB ever. Most wins by any QB in three seasons. Only third year QB to start in two SB's.

Lynch and the defense, you the real MVP.

[Avante]

Lynch and the defense, you the real MVP.

There has never been a more successful QB after three seasons. Facts are cool.

[Clipper Nation]

[spurraider21]

they're a great team... this is why they're in their second straight superbowl

[Clipper Nation]

they're a great team... this is why they're in their second straight superbowl

Yep... a great team with a great running game, great defense... only flaw is the QB position, tbh.

[Avante]

Do I really need that long list of great running backs who never played in a SB? How about....Barry Sanders?

So it's not all about passing the ball......is it?

[Avante]

Yep... a great team with a great running game, great defense... only flaw is the QB position, tbh.

What third year QB has done it better?

[Thebesteva]

Well, ya, this should be obvious to anybody..

Sadly, if Seahawks win, people will be talking about how Wilson is the new Brady and going to take over the league. I can already visualize the graphic showing the all time great QB's to repeat with Wilsons ty name on that epic list

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Struggle Wilson is a good qb, but he is NOT elite

[Avante]

Sadly, if Seahawks win, people will be talking about how Wilson is the new Brady and going to take over the league. I can already visualize the graphic showing the all time great QB's to repeat with Wilsons ty name on that epic list

Compare RW's three year stats with any other QB after three seasons.

[spurraider21]

Sadly, if Seahawks win, people will be talking about how Wilson is the new Brady and going to take over the league. I can already visualize the graphic showing the all time great QB's to repeat with Wilsons ty name on that epic list

Patfan points out how much butthurt their team success causes... and Russell Wilson is becoming like that on SpursTalk

[Avante]

Struggle Wilson is a good qb, but he is NOT elite

The stats tell a different story.

[Clipper Nation]

The stats tell a different story.

Nah, the stats actually show he's not elite.

In fact, since 2012, Wilson’s first year in the league, the Seahawks have 15 wins in which their quarterback posted a below-average Total QBR, five more than any other team in the NFL. That includes both of Seattle’s NFC Championship wins during that time.

Based on Wilson’s game-level QBRs in the last three seasons, he has almost 10 more wins than expected. No other player has six more wins than expected during that time.

So how have Wilson and the Seahawks been able to defy the odds? One word: defense.

In the last three seasons, the Seahawks have contributed 4.4 points per game to their net scoring margin on defense, by far the best defensive efficiency in the NFL. Only Alex Smith (2.1) and Andy Dalton (2.1) have had defenses that contributed more than two expected points per game in their starts during that time.

Seattle’s defense has a knack for playing its best when Wilson and the offense are at their worst. Since the start of 2012, Wilson has had 22 games with a QBR below 50, including 15 wins. In those games, Seattle has held its opponents to an average QBR of 34.0 and has had a per-game defensive efficiency of +7.3. In Wilson’s games with an above-average QBR, the Seahawks have allowed a 45.7 average QBR and have had a +2.4 defensive efficiency rating.

Translation: in 30% of the Seahawks' wins in the Struggle era, he's played like a below-average quarterback and the defense has completely bailed him out. "Elite" my ass

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

The stats tell a different story.

You're right, they say he's an average qb who benefits from his defense and running game.

[Avante]

Nah, the stats actually show he's not elite.

How many QB's come straight out of college into a starting role? Why do you contine to totally ignore the fact he's never had great receivers....well?




Translation: in 30% of the Seahawks' wins in the Struggle era, he's played like a below-average quarterback and the defense has completely bailed him out. "Elite" my ass