***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

Forget the above mentioned Roger Staubach, his first three years were a joke.

Still looking for a QB who had a better first three years.

[NFO]

why is he doing in the HOF?

Okay, you mock the HOF, but discredit Warner becuase he is not in it, despite the FACT that he is not eligible until August.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.

I keep waiting for someone to show me any QB who had a better first three seasons than Russell Wlson.

Games started
Completion %
TD/INT ratio
Rushing
Wins
Passer rating

So who had a better first three seasons, well?

Joe Montana? Dan Marino? Peyton Manning? Aaron Rodgers? Johnny Unitas? Andrew Luck? Tom Brady? Brett Favre? Otto Graham? John Elway? Warren Moon in Canada?

Who?

Orignial question specifies who had a better first three years than Wilson. No other requirements.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.

Why did you totally ignore what I just said? Is Warner playing today.,...nope! Did he have the stats...nope! Is he in the HOF....nope! Are all those others one of those...YEP!

Dude, are you really as dumb as you appear?

Correct Warner is not playing today (1/1). He did have the stats in the first 3 years, which is what you are trying to compare (1/2). Warner is not in the HOF true, but that is becuase he is not eligible (1/3)

Batting .3333333. Not good.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.

Still looking for a QB who had a better first three years.

Gave you one to compare, yet you won't do it as you keep changing criteria. Pretty lazy if you ask me.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.

[Avante]

Are you simply re ed?

[NFO]

Are you simply re ed?

I'd ask you the same question, but I already know the answer (yes).

[Avante]

I'd ask you the same question, but I already know the answer (yes).

Poor little kid.

[NFO]

Whatever you have to tell yourself old man to make yourself feel better.

Just rekindle those thoughts when you allegedly ran 10.2 back in the day that no one asked about, but you failed the need to mention. That is all you got old man.

[Avante]

Whatever you have to tell yourself old man to make yourself feel better.

Just rekindle those thoughts when you allegedly ran 10.2 back in the day that no one asked about, but you failed the need to mention. That is all you got old man.

I;m not the one following you around little man, it's pretty obvious I have you hooked. Yep.....you're mine.

Here you are again just that easy. And you will follow me around from here on out, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OWNED!

[NFO]

Ha, ha

That is why I put a lame line out there a few days ago and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

I called your exact response to one of my posts. You are like one of Pavlov's Dogs to me. I do one thing and I know your next move.

Like taking candy from a baby, and in this case like an extremely old, bitter old man with no life.

I attempted to engage you in a conversation on RW & KW and you FAILED.

[Avante]

Sad to watch isn't it, poor little got. Yep.....OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NFO]

Whatever makes you feel better old man.

[Pelicans78]

NFO is right. Warner was superior in his first 3 seasons compared to RW.

[Avante]

NFO is right. Warner was superior in his first 3 seasons compared to RW.

Not even in the same ball park. Show me what you are looking at.

[spurraider21]

Not even in the same ball park. Show me what you are looking at.

i think they aren't including his first season when he didnt get on the field

[spurraider21]

PASSING STATS
SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	QBR	RAT
1998	STL	1	4	11	36.4	39	3.55	0	21	0	0	--	47.2
1999	STL	16	325	499	65.1	4,353	8.72	41	75	13	7	--	109.2
2000	STL	11	235	347	67.7	3,429	9.88	21	85	18	2	--	98.3
2001	STL	16	375	546	68.7	4,830	8.85	36	65	22	7	--	101.4

[Avante]

i think they aren't including his first season when he didnt get on the field

Russell Wilson went straight from college ball to starting 16 games as a rookie, that was not Kurt Warner.

[Avante]

PASSING STATS
SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	QBR	RAT
1998	STL	1	4	11	36.4	39	3.55		21			--	47.2
1999	STL	16	325	499	65.1	4,353	8.72	41	75	13	7	--	109.2
2000	STL	11	235	347	67.7	3,429	9.88	21	85	18	2	--	98.3
2001	STL	16	375	546	68.7	4,830	8.85	36	65	22	7	--	101.4

Warner played in 28 games his first three seasons, RW played in almost twice as many.

[spurraider21]

again, they aren't including 1998 since he didnt really get an opportunity to play.

he played 43 games in his first 3 years of getting playing time

[Avante]

I;m looking for a QB who stepped off the NCAA playing fields to starting 16 games as a rookie in the NFL. A guy who went straight to the playoffs his first three seasons. Someone who did things never seen before by any other pro QB.

That's Russell Wilson, now who compares with him?

[Avante]

again, they aren't including 1998 since he didnt really get an opportunity to play.

he played 43 games in his first 3 years of getting playing time

I'm not talking about what a guy did in his first 4 seasons....obviously. , for all we know RW could win this SB and another one next season, giving him three SB wins in 4 seasons.

When it comes to the first... three... seasons no other QB compares to RW. The fact he stepped right in as a rookie has a lot to do with this.

[spurraider21]

i get you. i'm explaining where they're coming from and why there seems to be a misunderstanding

[Avante]

i get you. i'm explaining where they're coming from and why there seems to be a misunderstanding

The thing about Wilson is how he didn't need to sit behind a vet and learn the system. He didn't need a season to get into things. For him to step right in tie the td record and come within 3 points of going to the Conference le game......pretty impressive. How anyone can misunderstand....first three seasons.....????????????

RW is not on a par with Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, he's without question on a lesser level..BUT...his start to his career FAR superior to theirs and everyone else.

The winninest QB we have ever seen after three seasons. 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. Two SB's. Nobody compares to that.

[NFO]

Russell Wilson went straight from college ball to starting 16 games as a rookie, that was not Kurt Warner.

Warner went from packing groceries to playing NFL QB. One may argue that is even more impressive.

Warner played in 28 games his first three seasons, RW played in almost twice as many.

So did Cam Newtown, Andy Dalton, Tim Couch, etc... What the is your point????

Just because you sit the first year doesn't mean your 2nd and 3rd years were not enough to vault you into a particular conversation.

The winninest QB we have ever seen after three seasons. 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. Two SB's. Nobody compares to that.

If the Seahawks don't get to the SB next year RW will have as many SB appearances as KW to start a career, and KW will still have a SB MVP trophy where as RW will likely not.

[Avante]

Yep, I should have mentioned Kurt Warner, how I forgot about him.....DUH!!!!!!!!!! Forget the fact all those I did mention are either current players or Hall of Fame players and Warner would be neither. I should have made him the exception, he was bagging groceries, that right there should have made the difference.

[Avante]

What makes Russell Wilson special is how he started from day one. He didn't sit and wait like...Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Brett Favre. He stepped in and has started every game the Seahawks have played since they drafted him. How many other QB did that?

Then.....you add the success he's had, the things he's done nobody else ever has.

So ya take his success, all those firsts, and the fact he stepped right in and took over and how anyone who understands the game doesn't see just how special he is....???????????????????

If he does win Sunday that will add one more first to his resume. As of right now his first ...three....seasons are the greatest first...three...seasons we have ever seen by any pro football QB.

[NFO]

You are aware KW is not HOF eligible right?

You probably weren't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle.