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    Had Seattle scored and NE burned so much clock (without calling a TO), how much of a goat would Coach Belichick had been? Probably 30-40 seconds lost for Brady to get them to FG range. INT probably doesn't happen with a TO though as they would have thought about it longer and called a run.

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    I dont need a stats geek to tell me the % chance the seahawks had of winning that game.

    Lets be clear, it was 100 ING PERCENT IF THEY RUN HIM. PERIOD END OF STORY.
    It was 100% once the ball left Allen's hand too. Trust me!

    I agree that it was probably higher than that 60-65% but not 100%. Probably 75% with a shot that Pats get ball back and tie / send to OT. Pats stacked the box and Seattle's OC saw something in the defense. Instead, he saw the end to any head coaching gig he'll ever have a chance for.

    GB definitely had a higher shot of winning at the time of the onside kick.

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    You'd think so, but Pats D is pretty stellar. Barnwell tweeted that Seahawks win % was something like 60-65% on 2nd and goal.
    That seems inaccurate. Regardless of how good patriots D is, a hyped up beast mode is getting that yard, I am sorry

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    Statistically, 6 was much worse, but just from a logical standpoint, the Seahawks play was worse..

    Lynch is the best player on the team, he only needs 1 yard, but you put it in the hands of your game-managing QB?

    Not only was the playcall ty, but Wilson throwing an INT at that point is a historical choke job, much worse than the Spurs' missing Free Throws..

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    It was 100% once the ball left Allen's hand too. Trust me!

    I agree that it was probably higher than that 60-65% but not 100%. Probably 75% with a shot that Pats get ball back and tie / send to OT. Pats stacked the box and Seattle's OC saw something in the defense. Instead, he saw the end to any head coaching gig he'll ever have a chance for.

    GB definitely had a higher shot of winning at the time of the onside kick.
    Dude, Im gonna call bull on your percentages. When the Heat had it cut to 3 with 15 seconds or whatever, I guarantee the odds of that game were drastically different than when we were up 5 with 25 seconds. And if you think the odds of Lynch getting in the end zone were less than 75% then you need some serious help.

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    Spurs loss is way worse. Sure Seattle OC blew the last call. Spurs had to have like 7 things go wrong to lose Game 6. And all of it happened. Plus the Spurs had the lead. Seattle was still behind when they turned the ball over and required a lucky play to get as close as they did.

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    Spurs loss is way worse. Sure Seattle OC blew the last call. Spurs had to have like 7 things go wrong to lose Game 6. And all of it happened. Plus the Spurs had the lead. Seattle was still behind when they turned the ball over and required a lucky play to get as close as they did.
    Yeah Tony going ing beast mode and hitting an unbeleivable 3 over Lebron and getting steals left and right and pretty much single handedly winning the game wasnt lucky

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    Pretty equal, honestly. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at the highest apex of the sport on the grandest stage is absolutely brutal. No two ways about it.

    Doubt the Seahawks win next year, so probably that is worse. The Spurs avenged their heartbreak in the most incredible way possible.
    That is the only thing that made it right, who the Spurs went through and who they beat for the le, same team and killed them to drown the sorrow of 6.

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    That is the only thing that made it right, who the Spurs went through and who they beat for the le, same team and killed them to drown the sorrow of 6.
    And based off how we look this year I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt win it in 2014 if we had won it in 2013, so in my opinion, we made up for the loss 100%

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    Dude, Im gonna call bull on your percentages. When the Heat had it cut to 3 with 15 seconds or whatever, I guarantee the odds of that game were drastically different than when we were up 5 with 25 seconds. And if you think the odds of Lynch getting in the end zone were less than 75% then you need some serious help.
    1. On SportsCenter they said that Lynch had 5 carries all season from the 1yd line -- and only scored once.

    2. Time was winding down. If they pass on 2nd down, they stop the clock, which lets them run on 3rd down and use their last time out to stop the clock. If they had run on 2nd down unsuccessfully, they have to burn their last time out and they're essentially forced to throw on 3rd and 4th downs. The Pats CB had great game preparation and just made an outstanding play.

    6 was worse. I don't know how it gets any worse. Thank God for 2014. 5 made it all worth it.

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    It was second down and it was four down territory. The play call being bad is entirely overblown. Wilson made a ty read and that ball should have never been thrown.

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    It was second down and it was four down territory. The play call being bad is entirely overblown. Wilson made a ty read and that ball should have never been thrown.
    Yep..I do think the call was poor, but I don't know why people aren't discussing the QB actually throwing the INT..

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    Yep..I do think the call was poor, but I don't know why people aren't discussing the QB actually throwing the INT..
    Because you blame the parent when a toddler gets a gun from under the bed and shoots his sister. Struggle didn't know any better.

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    After ray Allen hit the shot, Tony got a pretty good look before the buzzer. Then OT, the game 7.for Seattle, it was just over. Bang. They lost.

    Seattle hands down.

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    I think it comes down to whether they get redemption or not. Spurs did. We dont know with them yet.

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    Because you blame the parent when a toddler gets a gun from under the bed and shoots his sister. Struggle didn't know any better.

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    Yep..I do think the call was poor, but I don't know why people aren't discussing the QB actually throwing the INT..
    Well if you watched the game, you would know that it was a pick play with Kearse screening Butler which would've freed up Lockette on the quick slant. However, Kearse got jammed by the DB which allowed Butler to step in front of the receiver for the int. Just bad execution on Seattle's part so it's not all Wilson's fault. It's a quick read and quick pass assuming the receiver's man would get screened off which would leave him open. Just poor execution so you can't fault Wilson completely for the throw.

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    Well if you watched the game, you would know that it was a pick play with Kearse screening Butler which would've freed up Lockette on the quick slant. However, Kearse got jammed by the DB which allowed Butler to step in front of the receiver for the int. Just bad execution on Seattle's part so it's not all Wilson's fault. It's a quick read and quick pass assuming the receiver's man would get screened off which would leave him open. Just poor execution so you can't fault Wilson completely for the throw.
    Why is any of that relevant?

    I didn't say it was completely Wilson's fault, I'm just puzzled as to why nobody is putting any blame on him, when that's how it generally works in the NFL..

    There's little logic being utilized when allocating credit and blame to NFL QBs..a guy like Romo can throw a pass and is WR can drop it into the DB's hands, but Romo will receive all the blame..that's just how it works at the QB position in the NFL..

    So, I don't know why Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame, while the QB threw the game-ending INT from the 1 isn't receiving any..

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    Why is any of that relevant?

    I didn't say it was completely Wilson's fault, I'm just puzzled as to why nobody is putting any blame on him, when that's how it generally works in the NFL..

    There's little logic being utilized when allocating credit and blame to NFL QBs..a guy like Romo can throw a pass and is WR can drop it into the DB's hands, but Romo will receive all the blame..that's just how it works at the QB position in the NFL..

    So, I don't know why Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame, while the QB threw the game-ending INT from the 1 isn't receiving any..
    It's relevant because in that situation, that's the throw he was suppose to make regardless of what the DB did so it's not like he made a throw he shouldn't have made. You can't really blame him for making that throw although he could've thrown it closer to the WR's body.

    No one is blaming him because everyone is shocked more at the play call rather than the execution of it. When has a QB received all the blame for a blatant drop made by a WR?

    I wouldn't say Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame. The OC Bevell made the call and Carroll is covering for him by taking the blame. People are more upset about the play call which frees some of the blame on Wilson.

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    i'm biased but I think that Seahawks play was worse.

    they literally got a gift from God before with that catch, then sharted it away in such spectacular fashion. I hate the seahawks and I was gutted by that.

    Meh, Seahawks fans can watch last year's run to ease the pain. We didn't get that luxury after 2013.
    good point.

    still once Wilson gets paid, their window could be closed.

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    Seahawks. Lost the game on one bad play call, and they had no other chances.

    The Spurs didn't lose game 6 on one play in the closing minutes. Make a free throw, defend better, grab a rebound, even maybe keep Duncan in the game. All could've changed the outcome of game 6. Plus they still could have won in overtime and, after all that they still had another chance to win in game 7. Allen's shot was not even a game winner, the Spurs still had a series lead going into overtime. They had their chances to win overtime or game 7 but failed. I say no excuses, no regrets.
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    Why is any of that relevant?

    I didn't say it was completely Wilson's fault, I'm just puzzled as to why nobody is putting any blame on him, when that's how it generally works in the NFL..

    There's little logic being utilized when allocating credit and blame to NFL QBs..a guy like Romo can throw a pass and is WR can drop it into the DB's hands, but Romo will receive all the blame..that's just how it works at the QB position in the NFL..

    So, I don't know why Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame, while the QB threw the game-ending INT from the 1 isn't receiving any..
    Lets flip the script, Lets say the Cowboys were in that spot and Tony threw a pick.... The reaction would be 180 what it is for Wilson

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    Well 6 was more heartbreaking but the Seahawks play was one of the worst decisions in the history of super bowls.

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