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Those stats are skewed, since they're unadjusted..
Leonard's numbers are better with Parker since they both returned from injuries around the same time, tbh..
What's your point??
That Tony is having a bad season? You need stats for that?
Those stats are skewed, since they're unadjusted..
Leonard's numbers are better with Parker since they both returned from injuries around the same time, tbh..
Alright here's all the other net duos:
Tony Parker:
Leonard: +2.0
Duncan: -1.3
Baynes: -2.2
Ginobili: -3.5
Diaw: -4.5
Green: -7.4
Mills: -9.3
Bonner: -13.4
Splitter: -15.2
Joseph: -18.2
Belinelli: -36.9
Danny Green:
Mills: +15.7
Ginobili: +9.9
Baynes: +7.8
Leonard: +6.6
Joseph: +3.4
Bonner: +3.0
Diaw: +2.1
Duncan: +0.3
Belinelli: -0.9
Splitter: -1.8
Parker: -7.4
Kawhi Leonard:
Belinelli: +24.3
Joseph: +15.2
Baynes: +11.2
Diaw: +7.5
Green: +6.6
Duncan: +5.5
Splitter: +4.8
Ginobili: +4.3
Parker: +2.0
Mills: +1.7
Bonner: -8.6
Tim Duncan:
Mills: +24.2
Leonard: +5.5
Baynes: +4.3
Diaw: +4.2
Green: +0.3
Ginobili: +0.2
Bonner: -0.7
Joseph: -0.9
Parker: -1.3
Belinelli: -10.8
Splitter: -12.9
Tiago Splitter:
Baynes: +20.0
Joseph: +19.8
Diaw: +18.1
Bonner: +14.8
Mills: +8.3
Ginobili: +6.1
Leonard: +4.8
Green: -1.8
Duncan: -12.9
Parker: -15.2
Belinelli: -16.9
Manu Ginobili:
Joseph: +17.1
Green: +9.9
Splitter: +6.1
Mills: +5.4
Baynes: +5.3
Leonard: +4.3
Diaw: +2.6
Bonner: +2.1
Duncan: +0.2
Belinelli: -3.4
Parker: -3.5
Boris Diaw:
Splitter: +18.1
Leonard: +7.5
Duncan: +4.2
Joseph: +3.5
Ginobili: +2.6
Green: +2.1
Baynes: +1.7
Mills: 0
Belinelli: -4.0
Parker: -4.5
Bonner: -18.9
Patty Mills:
Duncan: +24.2
Bonner: +20.7
Green: +15.7
Joseph: +14.1
Splitter: +8.3
Ginobili: +5.4
Belinelli: +2.6
Leonard: +1.7
Diaw: 0
Parker: -9.3
Baynes: -9.7
Cory Joseph:
Splitter: +19.8
Ginobili: +17.1
Leonard: +15.2
Mills: +14.1
Bonner: 10.2
Diaw: +3.5
Green: +3.4
Baynes: 3.2
Duncan: -0.9
Belinelli: -11.1
Parker: -18.2
Marco Belinelli:
Leonard: +24.3
Mills: +2.6
Green: -0.9
Bonner: -1.1
Ginobili: -3.4
Diaw: -4.0
Duncan: -10.8
Joseph: -11.1
Baynes: -14.3
Splitter: -16.9
Parker: -36.9
Aron Baynes:
Splitter: 20.0
Leonard: 11.2
Green: 7.8
Ginobili: 5.3
Duncan: 4.3
Joseph: 3.2
Diaw: 1.7
Parker: -2.2
Mills: -9.7
Belinelli: -14.3
Bonner: -17.4
Matt Bonner:
Mills: 20.7
Splitter: 14.8
Joseph: 10.2
Green: 3.0
Ginobili: 2.1
Duncan: -0.7
Belinelli: -1.1
Leonard: -8.6
Parker: -13.4
Baynes: -17.4
Diaw: -18.9
Last edited by rasuo214; 02-03-2015 at 02:19 AM.
Leonard isn't better (as you can see in the first portion every player is worse with Parker), it ends up being a net positive because Parker is so much better with Leonard that it negates the negative impact on Leonard. I posted the rest of the net duos and Leonard's best PG duo is with CoJo. Kawhi is also 1 of 2 players that make Marco worth playing (the other being CoJo). Kawhi is the only player on the team with a net positive duo with all of the players I looked at.
Last edited by rasuo214; 02-03-2015 at 01:35 AM.
Basically kawhi makes everyone better..
HolyDuncan +Mills
Kawhi, Manu and Patty (at least for the players I looked at, maybe I'll add Baynes and Bonner only players with 15+ mins that I didn't look at).
The first numbers show that all. The Net numbers show that Kawhi is the only one that ends up with a net positive with all of the duos. For example Manu may make Marco better but Manu is so much worse playing with Marco that it ends up being a net negative.
tony played like 3 years straight no breaks. He is just dipping in form which should be expected. heck duncan and manu have gone through this too. He can still recover but he is dealing with an aging body and needs to adapt
I thought he took the whole summer off?
Updated with Baynes and Bonner and it looks like I found Kawhi's achilles' heel. Matt Bonner.
Dipping in form? He's been ty the last two years(harlem posted the numbers). The injury excuse doesn't really cut it when he's been under-performing for a while now. And people have to stop latching onto that "Duncan and Manu also had their low points" BS. Duncan in 2011 and Manu in 2013 were nowhere near as bad as Tony right now. Physically, they weren't at their best but their impact was still pretty damn good. Tony's a trainwreck, in comparison.
2011 Duncan:
2013 Manu:
2015 Parker:
Dipping in form? He's been ty the last two years(harlem posted the numbers). The injury excuse doesn't really cut it when he's been under-performing for a while now. And people have to stop latching onto that "Duncan and Manu also had their low points" BS. Duncan in 2011 and Manu in 2013 were nowhere near as bad as Tony right now. Physically, they weren't at their best but their impact was still pretty damn good. Tony's a trainwreck, in comparison.
2011 Duncan:
2013 Manu:
2015 Parker:
He has not been " ty" the past 2 years. It varies by the algorithm used, but even Tony's RPM for the 2014 season only puts him around the bottom of the top 50 players in the NBA (prior-informed RAPM has him at 12). That is not " ty". If you exclude the 2 months where he played injured, he is up in the 20's or 30's.
Clearly, he had lost step from 2013, but it was equally possible to surmise it was fatigue. And when you watch the games, game to game, you saw inconsistency more than overall decline.
The story was the same in the 2014 playoffs. I already posted the statistics. Harlem's moron approach should just be ignored.
2015 has shown that TP is still struggling. The only reasonable view is to wait it out and see if it is permanent and how TP adjusts his game to account for age and injury. I suspect TP will recover some, perhaps to the 2014 level, but will not be the 2012/2013 whirling dervish anymore.
People here need to lay off Tony.
He'll be there when we need him, bank it.
Go watch game 7 vs Dallas last year.....
He is always there when we need him.
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