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    How many teams have won a le with their first option shooting sub-26% in the final two games? How many MVP candidates have gotten outplayed by Mario Chalmers?
    how many teams have won a Finals game when one of their teamates had 8 TURNOVERS in a game?

    NEVER happened smh

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    This is how you take your team home, tbh...



    Down 22-6, with some of the starters ting the bed mightily, this dude put the team on his back and made the AT&T asplode. GOAT, tbh...

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    how many teams have won a Finals game when one of their teamates had 8 TURNOVERS in a game?

    NEVER happened smh
    blaming a role player

    It's like Knicks fans throwing Starks under the bus when their first option(Ewing) was so terrible in the Finals.

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    role player or not 8 turnover is 8 turnovers. 1 turnover could possibly be a 4 point swing (or 5)

    now multiply that x 8 = 32 point swing from our "role Player"

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    role player or not 8 turnover is 8 turnovers. 1 turnover could possibly be a 4 point swing (or 5)

    now multiply that x 8 = 32 point swing from our "role Player"
    Hard to win a le when your first option(and MVP candidate) is getting outplayed by a scrub on the opposing team:

    Mario Chalmers games 6+7:
    17 ppg on 50% FG

    Tony Parker games 6+7:
    14 ppg on 25% FG

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    If you really think about it, Spurs were trailing by 20 as soon as Evita finished tying his shoes that day

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    This is how you take your team home, tbh...



    Down 22-6, with some of the starters ting the bed mightily, this dude put the team on his back and made the AT&T asplode. GOAT, tbh...
    It doesn't matter, if you wanted hater to read it or watch that video, give up on it..

    Kid doesn't care about anything but TP stuff.

    25%FG game 5 and 26%FG game 6 but he made the last 2 shots of game 5

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    role player or not 8 turnover is 8 turnovers. 1 turnover could possibly be a 4 point swing (or 5)

    now multiply that x 8 = 32 point swing from our "role Player"
    Missed shots not < turnovers

    TP 6-23 is almost as bad as 8 turnovers.

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    Doesn't matter. They have the best back in the game, 1 yard away from the end zone, one time out and momentum. At that juncture, it was their game to lose, and they did.
    still Lynch was apparently 1-5 from one yard line so statistically this statement is questionable

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    Missed shots not < turnovers

    TP 6-23 is almost as bad as 8 turnovers.
    everything is on the almost tbh

    one turnover = 0 chance to score and 0 chance for a team mate to rebound the ball
    one shoot = in that case 25% chance to go in and a chance for a team mate to rebound the ball

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    everything is on the almost tbh

    one turnover = 0 chance to score and 0 chance for a team mate to rebound the ball
    one shoot = in that case 25% chance to go in and a chance for a team mate to rebound the ball
    tell that to TP tbh, he was sucking last two games yet he kept trying to go MVP mode. He could of tried pass the ball right? Manu tried that and that ended in turnovers.

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    tell that to TP tbh, he was sucking last two games yet he kept trying to go MVP mode. He could of tried pass the ball right? Manu tried that and that ended in turnovers.
    Tell him what ? that it is better to shoot at 25% than having a TO ? sure... no problem

    what else ?

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    still Lynch was apparently 1-5 from one yard line so statistically this statement is questionable
    But they had a timeout. They could've gone back to Wilson after Lynch failed if they wanted to. The point is, you don't doubt who's your best option in that situation.

    Ultimately, what happened is the worst. It could've easily been incomplete, or Struggle could've just thrown the ball away, call a timeout an play again. But the pick was absolutely devastating, the Lombardi gone away in a millisecond.

    Not even a Seahawks fan here, but that was a tough, tough break.

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    But they had a timeout. They could've gone back to Wilson after Lynch failed if they wanted to. The point is, you don't doubt who's your best option in that situation.

    Ultimately, what happened is the worst. It could've easily been incomplete, or Struggle could've just thrown the ball away, call a timeout an play again. But the pick was absolutely devastating, the Lombardi gone away in a millisecond.

    Not even a Seahawks fan here, but that was a tough, tough break.

    Based on Harlem's stat, Lynch was 1-5 on rush at one yard line, on the other hand on the passing side there are X number of plays with 0 int. So statistically going for the pass is not that a dumb choice tbh if you don't score you waste time and def line up of Pats was set to defend a Lynch penetration... execution has been horrible tho and the rook made a great play

    discussion here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=244034&page=2

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    Based on Harlem's stat, Lynch was 1-5 on rush at one yard line, on the other hand on the passing side there are X number of plays with 0 int. So statistically going for the pass is not that a dumb choice tbh if you don't score you waste time and def line up of Pats was set to defend a Lynch penetration... execution has been horrible tho and the rook made a great play

    discussion here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=244034&page=2
    That is what I'm saying. It was a devastating outcome, considering they still had a timeout, were just 1 yard away and that catch right before the play was like the stars were aligned... not even a big fan of football here, but that ending was like holy crap...

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    It's relevant because in that situation, that's the throw he was suppose to make regardless of what the DB did so it's not like he made a throw he shouldn't have made. You can't really blame him for making that throw although he could've thrown it closer to the WR's body.

    No one is blaming him because everyone is shocked more at the play call rather than the execution of it. When has a QB received all the blame for a blatant drop made by a WR?

    I wouldn't say Carroll is receiving 100% of the blame. The OC Bevell made the call and Carroll is covering for him by taking the blame. People are more upset about the play call which frees some of the blame on Wilson.
    so you think that Wilson wasn't supposed to make a read before throwing?

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    That is what I'm saying. It was a devastating outcome, considering they still had a timeout, were just 1 yard away and that catch right before the play was like the stars were aligned... not even a big fan of football here, but that ending was like holy crap...
    Exactly, it was second down and four down territory.

    What I think are people listened to Collinsworth about it for 10 minutes to end the game and are not very good at critical thinking on their own. As an aside, Al Michaels taking sides and cheering and deadpanning side vs side on his calls is pretty damn unprofessional in my view.

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    They had two time outs, it was second down and they were down 4. If they had run it and failed on second down they would have to called timeout. With one time out and the clock under 15 seconds, they would have had to pass on third down lest time run out before they can get play off for fourth.

    They had three downs and only two timeouts.

    Wilson by design or not ignored Butler flanking the pick and threw it anyway. Him getting a pass is stupid.

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    so you think that Wilson wasn't supposed to make a read before throwing?
    There isn't enough time to make a read. Lockette was the only option on that play and if executed properly, he was suppose to be open. 99/100 times that ball doesn't get intercepted. The ball could've been thrown better and probably towards his back shoulder rather than high and away but it has nothing to do with him making a read. By the time Butler starting breaking towards the ball, it was almost already out of the QB's hands. Give credit to Butler for making a great play on the ball.

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    1) 8 Turnovers from our ballhandling SG
    2) Two missed free throws in the final minute of regulation — one from Ginobili and the other from Kawhi
    3) The offensive rebound off a badly missed three-point attempt from James that gave him a second try and — when he buried it deep on the left wing — cut the lead to two with 20 seconds left.
    5) Manu and Kawhi caught ball watching while Allen gets his final rebound
    6) Pop taking Duncan out on defense for the possessions where James and Allen each hit their second-chance threes.
    7) Popovich's choice to have Parker on the bench for the final 31 seconds of overtime, thus allowing Evita possbly the worst TO in NBA history and his 8th in the game...
    8) Ginobili. The turnover with 44 seconds left in overtime with the Spurs trailing 101-00, a telegraphed pass from the baseline to James near the free throw line; his furious drive through the lane on the Spurs' final possession where the whistles stayed silent and Ginobili had his new career high in turnovers.


    how you can compare that string of chokes with the Seahawks play is beyond me

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    ^ but that's the point. The Spurs had a lot of different opportunities to turn that series around, including OT in Game 6 and Game 7.

    We're discussing "what's worse", not what was a bigger choke. IMO, the turn of events in one single play determining the outcome of the SB was way, way worse and more shocking.

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    ^ but that's the point. The Spurs had a lot of different opportunities to turn that series around, including OT in Game 6 and Game 7.

    We're discussing "what's worse", not what was a bigger choke. IMO, the turn of events in one single play determining the outcome of the SB was way, way worse and more shocking.
    wrong. what's worse than a monumental chokejob is a series of consecutive monumental chokejobs imo

    6 was way, way, way more of a bigger chokejob than Seahawks. it's not even in the same dimension

    plus, they were already getting the champagne ready for Duncan, duct tape was being applied and 90% of the Miami mexicans had left the building. Nothing can be more shoking than that

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    wrong. what's worse than a monumental chokejob is a series of consecutive monumental chokejobs imo

    6 was way, way, way more of a bigger chokejob than Seahawks. it's not even in the same dimension

    plus, they were already getting the champagne ready for Duncan, duct tape was being applied and 90% of the Miami mexicans had left the building. Nothing can be more shoking than that
    Nobody is arguing what's the bigger chokejob. The thread le is asking "what's worse".

    If you think Game 6 is, fine. I disagree, I think as a fan, your whole season going away in a single play, a millisecond is way worse.

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