What's Worse.. Seahawks Play-Call, or 6?

[hater]

Spurfan trying to diminish 6. 6 was far worse than Struggle's pick, come on now. They were literally roping off the court and getting the champagne ready.

boom

[TheGreatYacht]

ing Manu, smh.

[313]

1. I agree with the poster that said Collinsworth's announcing played a big part in the ballooning of Carroll's criticism

2. It sucks that our generation's coverage of sports is entirely centered around blaming people, rather than giving credit..Browner and Butler both deserve immense credit..they both recognized the offense's play, Browner jammed the receiver at the line, and Butler made a great catch..he could have easily just broken it up, rather than making the great interception, and Seattle still wins the game and nobody is discussing the questionable play call

3. Whether you believe Wilson choked or not, it's still puzzling that he isn't receiving any blame in the era of media coverage where perceived choking is pounced on by everybody

4. Lynch is a sub-50% career runner when he needs 1 yard for the 1st down, and he was 1-5, this season..

Furthermore, during this season, there was 109 passes thrown from the 1-yard line..Wilson's pass was the first that resulted in an interception..

How can you dispute those numbers? The odds of an interception there are virtually 0, so I don't see how Wilson can get a pass for doing something that hadn't been done in 109 attempts this season..

Seattle's defense also not catching much slack for giving up two touchdown drives in a row

[look_at_g_shred]

Seahawks by far. Their season was over in one play. The spurs still had an overtime and another game to redeem themselves.

[TheGreatYacht]

Seahawks by far. Their season was over in one play. The spurs still had an overtime and another game to redeem themselves.

take, keep em coming

[look_at_g_shred]

take, keep em coming

Bruh Coming from you that means a lot Your definitely the king of takes. Be my guest tho , show me. Shoe me how it's done.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bruh Coming from you that means a lot Your definitely the king of takes. Be my guest tho , show me. Shoe me how it's done.

Read the thread re I already gave my take... "Seahawks by far"

[look_at_g_shred]

Read the thread re I already gave my take... "Seahawks by far"

Yeah by far. You act like i'm the only one who thinks this Get your straight "sportstalkjoe"

[lefty]

boom

me jumping in every direction when were were up 5 and KL got fouled

[Spurs 4 The Win]

me jumping in every direction when were were up 5 and KL got fouled

We were up 2 when Kawhi got fouled

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your metagame analysis is correct, but as you know a poker (or coaching) decision that is correct in a metagame vacuum can be wrong to make in certain situations. The higher "EV play" here was to go with Lynch 3 straight times. Why?

- New England performed poorly in this situation all season long.

- Lynch didn't have one carry for negative yards all game long. Additionally, New England's defense looked exhausted at that point.

- Belichick unexpectedly did not call a time out, like he knew if the let time run, Carroll would become over-concerned about the clock and run a pass play in that situation. Not only a pass play, but that specific slant. Even Butler said they practiced defending against that particular play leading up to the game. And when you watch the footage, he was already breaking toward the middle before the ball was even snapped.

- Wilson is undersized. Slants often give undersized QBs a lot of trouble. Also, a quick slant can also be easily tipped either by the defense or the intended receiver. If any pass was going to called there, it should've been a fade.

Carroll stuck to his metagame (as Pop often does), failing to adjust appropriately to the situation, and it cost him a le. It's like a poker player getting bullied off a pot by a LAG because the "book" says to fold here when you should've called given your opponent's tendencies.

making up about what Belichek intended by NOT doing something.
making excuses for Wilson. Slant routes are hard for him! If he needs that excuse wtf is he out there for?

If they had tried to run it and failed on second down they would have had to pass on third because they would have run out of time for a potential fourth down with only one TO remaining. They maximized their number of opportunities but for the QB throwing late, high, and out in front.

[midnightpulp]

making up about what Belichek intended by NOT doing something.
making excuses for Wilson. Slant routes are hard for him! If he needs that excuse wtf is he out there for?

If they had tried to run it and failed on second down they would have had to pass on third because they would have run out of time for a potential fourth down with only one TO remaining. They maximized their number of opportunities but for the QB throwing late, high, and out in front.

Nowhere in my post did I exonerate Wilson. His height (or lack thereof) is primarily the reason he is not an elite QB and has to resort to being a game manager and scrambler. To put the game in his hands given his limitations is why the call was bad.

I didn't make anything up about Belichick's thought process.

"We put our goal-line defense in probably around the same time they were sending in their multiple receiver group, and that’s kind of what we wanted to be in there, to make sure they didn’t run the ball in.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-...#ixzz3QphHbfKL

Meaning Belichick wanted to force them to pass. After the game Butler said they practiced defending against that slant all week. Belichick, in poker terms, "leveled" Carroll and baited him into doing something he and his defense knew was coming. It's like Butler had ESP when he broke on the ball. I wonder why? You don't make plays like that unless you know what's coming.

[pgardn]

Wasn't there a game 7?

When is Seattle's next shot at a championship?
2 outta 3?
Case closed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nowhere in my post did I exonerate Wilson. His height (or lack thereof) is primarily the reason he is not an elite QB and has to resort to being a game manager and scrambler. To put the game in his hands given his limitations is why the call was bad.

I didn't make anything up about Belichick's thought process.



Meaning Belichick wanted to force them to pass. After the game Butler said they practiced defending against that slant all week. Belichick, in poker terms, "leveled" Carroll and baited him into doing something he and his defense knew was coming. It's like Butler had ESP when he broke on the ball. I wonder why? You don't make plays like that unless you know what's coming.

ESP. No doubt they had scouted the play but I don't see what mid-week preparation has to do with anything. Creating 10 man boxes is not a novel concept and teams pass with success against them all the time. IF you want to pretend that the coaches at the 20 second mark are calling in "pick play" and they they rubed them into actually calling it then have fun with that.

As has been said, had Wilson not hesitated Butler would have been rubbed off. The pick was at the goalline so Butler could have tried to make a stop but I like those chances. He had a clear line of sight to the receiver and the pick so I don't know why you bring height into this. It was not an issue and should not deflect from where the mistake was made.

He should have never thrown it into the open like he did. The play could have been executed properly. He could have moved to a different read, thrown the ball away, try to run it in himself or any other option but he throws the ball up for grabs.

If anything the reason why the playcall should have been to Lynch was because you cannot trust Wilson in that situation.

[BatManu20]

Seahawks fans feeling exactly how we did after 6


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