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Maybe, but...
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Everyone here seems to take it personally that he's not as good anymore. Or takes nasty shots at him 14x a day, every day. Dude just got old. It happans and is no one's fault. Quickness based PGs (Isiah, KJ, Iverson, Tim Hardaway, Tiny Archibald, Mookie Blaylock, Norm Nixon, and 50,000 others) started declining around his age with many of them falling right off a cliff. This forum doesn't have good sense of basketball history or else people would notice that. Just look at these guy's per game and advanced stats as they approach their early to mid 30s:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...johnske02.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...iversal01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...thomais01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...hardati01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...architi01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nixonno01.html
each page has the age in the same line as the stats so its easy to follow. PERs following off a cliff, guys becoming part timers, or needed extra shots and/or committing more turnovers to get the same points and assists averages.
Notes: look at Isiah's PER and especially his TS% drop like a rock over the course of his career
KJ was toast at the same age Parker is now
Iverson's PER dropped right to the league average at his age 33 year even though its an offensive stat and he was still taking a ton of shots
totally random aside: Norm Nixon's playoff per game averages during those Lakrs championshiop teams he was on were pretty awesome. Had no idea he was such a big part of those chips. Also it was hard finding guys in Parker's class to compare him to he really is one of the greatest PGs in history
Cliffs: Whats happening to Parker happens to every PG like him and its not a negative; its a fact of life.
Maybe, but...
Random impartial observation from a GNSF with under 300 posts creating a new thread about Parker.
Super convincing.
Bets on whose troll this is? Must've been sitting on this acct 4ever
I'm a Bulls fan. Joined years ago and just lately checked this forum. Its been pretty amazing seeing everyone offended that Parker isn't good anymore
Yeah! Me too!
Cool. At what point did you think, "You know, you know what upstairs needs? Another Tony Parker thread! They just don't have enough of them for me to feel comfortable expressing myself!"?
No need to hate on OP. Dude is just talking hoops.
stuff here is part of the Parker v Manu debates by Hispanics or argentinians or French posters who want to disparage one guy to give the other guy credit. So that's where the hostility comes in. Guy like FkLA and elnono revolve their ST lives around it
What? ElNono posts all over the forum, and hardly ever goes HAM on people. Dude's a solid poster. He's also a team fan, not a player fan.
Early on last night he looked quick like his old self then he slowed down. Tony and Manu both are missing right at the rim which is unusual. I think after the break we'll see if there is any real concern.
Maybe I mistake his jokes or whatever but isn't he a big Manu fan and always taking shots at Parker?
When I checked in here and notice no one here was just mentioning the basic fact that he's old and most likely losing his skills naturally like happens to a lot of guys. Also when I noticed massive hostility towards him for whatever reason when the only thing he did wrong was get old. What is my agenda supposed to be here anyways? I'm defending the guy so I'm a troll or something?
It's hilarious that the Enrique brigade is so butthurt at the suggestion that Enrique might be done that they completely ignore this sentence in the OP.
His thread is reasonable and that sentence alone proves that he probably has no ill will towards Enrique. I mean I don't see why a 'hater' would call him one of the greatest PGs of all-time. Especially considering the fact that any unbiased person would disagree since he was always by far the third best player on the team during Timmy and Manu's primes.
No, that's what you fail to understand. It's a bit odd that you are still not comprehending after something has been repeatedly explained to you, but I'll explain again.
It's another Parker thread in a sea of Parker threads. I'm not objecting to people's assessment of his play. I'm objecting to the fact that it gets a new thread made about it every 3 minutes, thus spamming the forum. Someone could make a thread about how they have inside info that Tony is hurt and will be back at 100% in two months and playing like his old self, and I'd say the same thing.
This place is so funny. He is not done. Yes he is a little older but that doesn't mean he is done. Is he as fast or athletic as a few years ago? No, but by no means does that mean he is finished. He just needs to change his game a little (which it looks like he sort of is), that is all. He is not done, just like Timmy and Manu weren't done a few games ago. Tony will be fine. He will get comfortable. The Spurs finally have their entire roster back. Give them some time to gel.
i wonder how many obscure accounts are going to start posting about parker now
Enrique's play is bar none the biggest story surrounding the Spurs at the moment. This is a somewhat different take on it. The OP isn't insulting him, or saying he sucks he's simply throwing out his observation that maybe just maybe the dude just got old. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his thread.
But if it bothers you so much maybe you should bust out the longcat as a sign of protest.
It is a very valid concern.
I started a while back to gather information to compare mileage of Spurs players i.e minutes played and miles covered during those minutes... I did not finish it (difficult to find minutes of international plays for instance) but Parker numbers were ing impressive. From his young years in France to the Spurs to the FNT dude ulated a ing load of minutes knowing that from the start his usage was high even very young with regularly among the most mpg of the teams he played with and in comparaison with a lot of players he did not miss a lot of games for injuries tbh...
Parker is having a solid longivity all things considered, he built it by taking care of his diet (his mother is in this business) and body.
Guards tend to decline fast tho so ya it's a concern. Thread is valid and gives some perspective about it.
People not concerned about that are delusional.
Well if it is the end definitely appreciate all he's done throughout the years and have nothing against TP myself..I blame the FO solely for that extension which if I remember the thread here at the time many were in favor of
Change his game how? What does he have to fall back on if his speed/quickness have diminished? The only thing he has going for him now is that he's a low volume, high percentage three-point shooter. There is literally nothing else for him to fall back on. The Spurs are basically stuck paying $14 mill/per yr for ~50 three point baskets.
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It is a very valid concern.
I started a while back to gather information to compare mileage of Spurs players i.e minutes played and miles covered during those minutes... I did not finish it (difficult to find minutes of international plays for instance) but Parker numbers were ing impressive. From his young years in France to the Spurs to the FNT dude ulated a ing load of minutes knowing that from the start his usage was high even very young with regularly among the most mpg of the teams he played with and in comparaison with a lot of players he did not miss a lot of games for injuries tbh...
Parker is having a solid longivity all things considered, he built it by taking care of his diet (his mother is in this business) and body.
Guards tend to decline fast tho so ya it's a concern. Thread is valid and gives some perspective about it.
People not concerned about that are delusional.
Congrats on by far being the most impartial French poster.
It is a very valid concern.
I started a while back to gather information to compare mileage of Spurs players i.e minutes played and miles covered during those minutes... I did not finish it (difficult to find minutes of international plays for instance) but Parker numbers were ing impressive. From his young years in France to the Spurs to the FNT dude ulated a ing load of minutes knowing that from the start his usage was high even very young with regularly among the most mpg of the teams he played with and in comparaison with a lot of players he did not miss a lot of games for injuries tbh...
Parker is having a solid longivity all things considered, he built it by taking care of his diet (his mother is in this business) and body.
Guards tend to decline fast tho so ya it's a concern. Thread is valid and gives some perspective about it.
People not concerned about that are delusional.
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