American Sniper's Failure

[ChumpDumper]

He would certainly be sure to include the lies that you think should already be in the film.

I never demanded a do entary at all. We have been talking about dramatizations this entire time.

And I don't consider Moore to be a do entary filmmaker. He undermines that characterization as he lets his biases dictate his filmmaking. So that would probably be among the the least satisfying results for me personally.

You can try guessing about me again if you like.

[redzero]

I really did enjoy the movie, even though it was incredibly simplistic. The movie was on Kyle's side, but the screenwriters peppered a few obligatory scenes of doubt to remain somewhat objective about the Iraq War. The complaints about the real Kyle being a liar and not actually suffering from PTSD like Cooper are completely valid. I don't, however, agree with the complaints about the movie connecting 9/11 to Iraq. Yes, when viewing the movie, context is necessary. But I don't think the movie misleads the viewer because everybody already knows that 9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq. Therefore, I just could not infer that the movie was justifying the invasion of Iraq.

[TheSanityAnnex]

speaking of Iraq and liars...

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-s...otest-1.327792

[ChumpDumper]

What does this have to do with American Sniper?

[DarrinS]

speaking of Iraq and liars...

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-s...otest-1.327792

lol

[Aztecfan03]

What does this have to do with American Sniper?

this is just following how the discussion is going.

speaking of Iraq and liars...

It's a bit of a tangent but it doesn't really need its own thread.

[ChumpDumper]

this is just following how the discussion is going.


It's a bit of a tangent but it doesn't really need its own thread.

It's a deflection attempt. Posters had nothing to say about the actual topic.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What does this have to do with American Sniper?

Iraq and liars.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's a deflection attempt. Posters had nothing to say about the actual topic.

I discussed the topic on page 1. It's page 10 now free game

[ChumpDumper]

Iraq and liars.

Is that it? That's the only reason you brought it up?

[Aztecfan03]

Is that it? That's the only reason you brought it up?

Would you prefer he spams threads about it like boutons does?

[ChumpDumper]

Would you prefer he spams threads about it like boutons does?

Given the choice, sure -- i'll take the snarky deflection.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Is that it? That's the only reason you brought it up?

Yes, that is it. Why is it so hard for you to grasp?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, that is it. Why is it so hard for you to grasp?

Just verifying that it was a throwaway deflection.

Thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've deflected nothing. Your five page purse fight was tiresome. I've brought to this thread a bigger and better Iraq war liar.

[ChumpDumper]

I've deflected nothing. Your five page purse fight was tiresome. I've brought to this thread a bigger and better Iraq war liar.

To deflect from the actual subject of the thread.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Chris Kyle lied, he's dead. Jesse Ventura is still a got. Moving on with the thread, which lie is worse?

[ChumpDumper]

Chris Kyle lied, he's dead. Jesse Ventura is still a got. Moving on with the thread, which lie is worse?

Which of Kyle's lies are worse?

Good question.

Probably the Ventura lie since it was actionable and cost in a couple different ways.

[Aztecfan03]

Chris Kyle lied, he's dead. Jesse Ventura is still a got. Moving on with the thread, which lie is worse?

I haven't followed the chris kyle thing, but his lie directly affected someone else while William's didn't so I would say Kyle's would be worse from a very uninformed view of things.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Which of Kyle's lies are worse?

Good question.

Probably the Ventura lie since it was actionable and cost in a couple different ways.

chump were you aware Jesse Ventura was actually at the bar the night of the Kyle lie in question?

[ChumpDumper]

chump were you aware Jesse Ventura was actually at the bar the night of the Kyle lie in question?

Yes. That doesn't change anything.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes. That doesn't change anything.

I'm aware Kyle lied and it doesn't bother me one bit, but I do believe he would have won the defamation suit had he been alive to testify. Ventura is a lying sack of himself, and I don't doubt he said SEALS deserved to die in the bar as Kyle said. I do think Kyle lied about punching him.

The SEALS community has been calling out Ventura long before the Kyle stuff came up.

Check this out
http://cursor.org/venturawatch/dangerous_game.htm

Ventura is a piece of

[ChumpDumper]

I'm aware Kyle lied and it doesn't bother me one bit, but I do believe he would have won the defamation suit had he been alive to testify. Ventura is a lying sack of himself, and I don't doubt he said SEALS deserved to die in the bar as Kyle said. I do think Kyle lied about punching him.

The SEALS community has been calling out Ventura long before the Kyle stuff came up.

Check this out
http://cursor.org/venturawatch/dangerous_game.htm

Ventura is a piece of

That doesn't change a thing.

[ChumpDumper]

Though it's funny when that guy says SEALs don't have time to write books.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That doesn't change a thing.

Sheds some light on Ventura.

Then there is this

Debbie Lee, who lost her son, Navy SEAL Marc Lee, in Iraq, said the group was mournful and respectful. "It was not a belly-up-to-the-bar type of event," she wrote.
One of her son's SEAL teammates introduced her to Ventura, whom she found offensive. She said she heard him criticize the war and called President George Bush a jerk. Ventura could only talk about himself, she said. "He did not say he was sorry for my loss."
Bob Gassoff, the SEAL who introduced Lee to Ventura, said the former governor wore a beard braided into pony tails and a blue SEAL team hat. "He was badmouthing the war and President Bush. He was upsetting the families of deceased SEALs," Gassoff said.
Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane.
"I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said.
But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got."
Most of those swearing out declarations said they didn't see Kyle hit Ventura, but claim they saw the commotion and the aftermath as Kyle took off and Ventura clambered up from the ground with blood on his face.
Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception.
"I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing.
"That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him."