American Sniper's Failure

[ChumpDumper]

Sheds some light on Ventura.

Then there is this

Debbie Lee, who lost her son, Navy SEAL Marc Lee, in Iraq, said the group was mournful and respectful. "It was not a belly-up-to-the-bar type of event," she wrote.
One of her son's SEAL teammates introduced her to Ventura, whom she found offensive. She said she heard him criticize the war and called President George Bush a jerk. Ventura could only talk about himself, she said. "He did not say he was sorry for my loss."
Bob Gassoff, the SEAL who introduced Lee to Ventura, said the former governor wore a beard braided into pony tails and a blue SEAL team hat. "He was badmouthing the war and President Bush. He was upsetting the families of deceased SEALs," Gassoff said.
Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane.
"I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said.
But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got."
Most of those swearing out declarations said they didn't see Kyle hit Ventura, but claim they saw the commotion and the aftermath as Kyle took off and Ventura clambered up from the ground with blood on his face.
Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception.
"I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing.
"That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him."

That doesn't change a thing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I know Kyle lied, but about the Ventura thing I'm not so sure. The piece of Ventura should never have gone after the widow once his first case was dismissed after Kyle's murder.

[CosmicCowboy]

Wow hadn't seen that.

Why the weren't they there at the civil trial?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Wow hadn't seen that.

Why the weren't they there at the civil trial?

Don't know if they were or weren't.

[ChumpDumper]

I know Kyle lied, but about the Ventura thing I'm not so sure. The piece of Ventura should never have gone after the widow once his first case was dismissed after Kyle's murder.

He sued the estate.

It's not like the widow is broke.

And I don't give a about Ventura, just saying he was well within his rights.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He sued the estate.

It's not like the widow is broke.

And I don't give a about Ventura, just saying he was well within his rights.

it has nothing to do with her being broke, Ventura has no morals. I've got no problem with him going after an alive Kyle, drop it once he's murdered though for 's sake. The ironic thing in all of this is Ventura sued for defamation and in doing so has caused far greater defamation to himself.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Chump have you read the book or seen the movie?

[ChumpDumper]

it has nothing to do with her being broke, Ventura has no morals. I've got no problem with him going after an alive Kyle, drop it once he's murdered though for 's sake.

Why? The lie was still out there making money for the estate.

The ironic thing in all of this is Ventura sued for defamation and in doing so has caused far greater defamation to himself.

No one can control the butthurt of others.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump have you read the book or seen the movie?

Nope.

Will watch the movie when it's out of first run. Might end up reading the book to A/B it. I imagine it could be as dry as Schultz's Foxcatcher book.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why? The lie was still out there making money for the estate.

Did Ventura sue for saying the punch was a lie or him saying seals deserved to die was a lie?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nope.

Will watch the movie when it's out of first run. Might end up reading the book to A/B it. I imagine it could be as dry as Schultz's Foxcatcher book.

The book is dry, I enjoyed reading Lone Survivor much more. Lone Survivor the movie was terrible.

And lol @ you in this thread having neither read the book nor watched the movie.

[ChumpDumper]

Did Ventura sue for saying the punch was a lie or him saying seals deserved to die was a lie?

Haven't seen the actual do ents but it looks like both.

[ChumpDumper]

The book is dry, I enjoyed reading Lone Survivor much more. Lone Survivor the movie was terrible.

And lol @ you in this thread having neither read the book nor watched the movie.

I had already stipulated this.

Why should it completely exclude me from discussing Kyle's do ented lies?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Haven't seen the actual do ents but it looks like both.

I haven't seen them either but I don't think it was both, I think it was what he said about the seals.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I had already stipulated this.

Why should it completely exclude me from discussing Kyle's do ented lies?

I'm not saying you should be excluded at all, it's really funny though the person with the most posts in a thread about the movie American Sniper has neither seen the movie nor read the book.

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't seen them either but I don't think it was both, I think it was what he said about the seals.

On the stand, Mr. Ventura said the events in the book had never occurred. Mr. Ventura said that he had been at the bar that night — reuniting with old Navy colleagues before a SEAL graduation ceremony the next day — but that he recalled no confrontation and was uncertain whether he had even come across Mr. Kyle in the bar. Mr. Ventura said he was not drinking alcohol that night and has not since 2002, when he was put on blood-thinning medication.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/us...mage.html?_r=0

It was the whole shebang.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not saying you should be excluded at all, it's really funny though the person with the most posts in a thread about the movie American Sniper has neither seen the movie nor read the book.

Well, we got to talking about Kyle's lies and folks took it personally since they were best buds with Kyle and all Navy SEALs in their own respective rights.

That makes for some posts.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well, we got to talking about Kyle's lies and folks took it personally since they were best buds with Kyle and all Navy SEALs in their own respective rights.

That makes for some posts.

It's still funny regardless. I used to find you pathetic and annoying but now I truly respect the dedication you've shown over the years to this website and the Internet in general.


Do do you believe Ventura wins the suit if Kyle was still alive? I sure don't.

[ChumpDumper]

Do do you believe Ventura wins the suit if Kyle was still alive? I sure don't.

Actually I do. Kyle messed up his defense while he was still alive in his taped deposition. He couldn't provide a straight, consistent story. The estate's best chance was with martyred Kyle and grieving widow imo. From what I've read the estate's lawyer was really trying to work on the jury's emotions rather than the facts of the case.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Eh I still don't think Ventura's would have stood with Kyle alive. What witnesses were called in the second suit? Was it basically dead Kyle vs Ventura? Strange too final jury count was 8-2

[ChumpDumper]

Eh I still don't think Ventura's would have stood with Kyle alive. What witnesses were called in the second suit? Was it basically dead Kyle vs Ventura?

I'm sure all the testimony from every witness was available to the defense. Trouble was there were as many versions of the story as there were witnesses.

Strange too final jury count was 8-2

Why is that strange? It's civil court.

Seriously, defamation cases are damn hard to win. This one wasn't even close.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm sure all the testimony from every witness was available to the defense. Trouble was there were as many versions of the story as there were witnesses.

Link?

[ChumpDumper]

Link?

I don't know to which "second trial" you are referring. The only mention I see is a suit against the publisher.

The trial from which this judgment came had 11 defense witnesses.

And then there’s the quote: “You deserve to lose a few.”

That is what Ventura said hurt his reputation, the accusation he said that military members deserve to die. It is really the entire reason we are here. And here’s the problem with that, if I were on that jury. Only one person of the defense’s 11 witnesses said they heard it too. And that witness is a fellow SEAL who admitted to drinking heavily, who admitted he was disgusted that Ventura had pushed this lawsuit after Chris Kyle’s murder and said he walked up just as Ventura said those words and Kyle slugged him. Ventura’s lawyer suggested that was awfully convenient timing.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...famation-trial

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know to which "second trial" you are referring. The only mention I see is a suit against the publisher.

The trial from which this judgment came had 11 defense witnesses.



http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...famation-trial

first defamation suit was dropped after Kyle was murdered. Second suit was brought against the estate.

So it really was about what Kyle said he said about the seals, and not about the fight. I wonder if the fight did actually happen? Would be interesting to read the transcripts and see if Ventura denies it under oath.

[ChumpDumper]

first defamation suit was dropped after Kyle was murdered. Second suit was brought against the estate.

OK. 11 witnesses.

So it really was about what Kyle said he said about the seals, and not about the fight.

Both, since he wrote about both, though the judge told the jury they were not determining if Ventura got punched -- it was about the story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5631153.html

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I wonder if the fight did actually happen? Would be interesting to read the transcripts and see if Ventura denies it under oath.

From what I can piece together, I think Ventura claims he wasn't even there at the time of the alleged incident.