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It works both ways Are Brady's offensive teammates not bigger, stronger, faster than Joe's?
Most people call Peyton the best regular season QB of all time. And again....this maybe correct. The stats obviously say that Peyton is a great QB....and I'm not calling him a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.
But the "best regular season QB of all time" line is not really a compliment. There is always a "but" to begin the next sentence. And that sentence is "But....he under-performed (and some people say "choked") in the playoffs."
And with the Russel Wilson vs. Aaron Rodgers comment.....3 games isn't exactly a great sample size to go with. How many times have Brady and Manning played? A uva lot more than 3 games........
It works both ways Are Brady's offensive teammates not bigger, stronger, faster than Joe's?
It works both ways. Did Joe not face defenses that did not deal with roster changes?
Of course they are. And that is a legitimate critique....
But it still doesn't change my initial claim that it is harder to win today than it was 30 years ago.....
OP asked specifically about his coach and roster in SF. I answered it.
The Patriots played in the SB within 5 years of drafting Brady. Chiefs hadn't made the AFC le Game in 25 years
Quarterbacks could be legally knocked out in Joes time. Today you can't hit a QB high, low or viciously
And it's extremely easy to pass offense. Which is why we have players like Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick being successful.
It's easier to Quarterback today
If there was a Mount Rushmore for fat ol s, there'd literally be no room for anyone else after they put you up there
I asked you a very specific, easy to answer question and you're running away from it.
it works both ways. Are Brady's opponents bigger, stronger and faster than Joe's?
There have been thousands of guy play QB in the NFL, so who do we know/hear about?
"Slingin' " Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas
We are talking about 40 years there and only three or so that made a real impact. Well Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana all made a huge impact. There is no discussion of great QB's without them.
40 years ago you were hitting on underage girls while stationed in Olongapo.
Sick .
Good point!
Back in the day you could destroy a QB, he was no different than a RB.
Back in the day you thought you could destroy underage pussy as long as it was legal over there.
You are the one that said there is proof that brady is better.
I know. Prove me wrong.
cosigned. Kurt Warner and P. Manning are also two of the best I've seen at hitting guys in stride, right where they are supposed to be. Rodgers is closest to Montana I've seen in being able to scramble, throw from awkward angles and still be accurate.
Brady on the bench after Seattle scored the last TD of the 1st half:
"Its OK, we're gonna beat their asses after HT"
Ny nikkuh
http://thebiglead.com/2015/02/02/tom...-performances/
good article on how Brady and Joe Cool compare. Montana still comes out on top (i figured this was common sense but if people want some numbers)
from the article
but but brady has no helpIn their best five statistical seasons, Brady played with 15 pro bowlers on offense (3 per year) and 6 all pros, including Randy Moss in his best year. Montana played with 12 pro bowlers (2.4 per year) and 3 all pros (two being Rice in 1987 and 1989). For what it’s worth, Montana only played with Rice in two of his top five statistical seasons, Rice was a rookie in #6, and Montana was in KC for #7.
this next one is interesting and was always a gut feeling of mine.
ouch, stings a little bit.It’s an interesting phenomenon. Three of Joe Montana’s Super Bowl les came in his five best passing seasons. None of Brady’s have. It’s almost like the Patriots have been better in other areas in years they have won the le, to compensate for a little less offensive firepower.
definitely worth reading, it has some other good info.
another stat comparison/breakdown on how they compare, from nate silver's fivethirtyeight site. Real good read, Brady's numbers are definitely impressive, but based on how they formulated it, they got Montana and Warner above Brady for the postseason.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/t...on-of-nfl-qbs/
Great find HI-FI
So I guess Hi-Fi "proved it".
One thing to note is Brady's "lost" year in 2008. You gotta figure they would have had a good chance to compete for a le. I don't think Brady was whole until 2010 or so.
What was the SF defensive ranking in the years they won it?
Chiefs fan vanished
http://thebiglead.com/2015/02/02/tom...-performances/
good article on how Brady and Joe Cool compare. Montana still comes out on top (i figured this was common sense but if people want some numbers)
from the article
but but brady has no help
this next one is interesting and was always a gut feeling of mine.
ouch, stings a little bit.
definitely worth reading, it has some other good info.a bunch of "stats" that provide little to no explanation for how they came to create these stats doesn't prove jack, as well as some other nonsensical stats that doesn't take 90% of the rest of game situations into account. Highly hilarious that 49er fans would post this, after the excuses for "situations" that you idiots posted earlier in this thread "
montana got robbed by a call
Situations can go back and forth, but fact is both QBs are/were natural winners, won 4 SBs, won 2 MVPs, and 3 SB MVPs. You can make washout arguments for eras saying "It was a bit harder to pass in Montana's day" and "Defenses are much stronger, faster, and CLEARLY more strategic/sophisticated in Brady's day". You can make washout arguments that "Montana was a bit more mobile" and "Brady is bigger with a stronger arm". Then you can make counter arguments "Montana was the beneficiary of a transcendent system" and "Brady got protected by refs from cheap shots". Both were comeback kings, with fantastic stats for both, although Brady has a slight edge, but lets call it a wash. Both had comparable teams through their careers, although from about 09-13 the general talent Brady had was worse than anything Montana had, but lets just say that's a wash too, for the sake of you crybaby 49er fans/joe apologists. Both had generally fantastic playoff careers, but occasionally had awful performances as well, even getting outplayed by mediocre QBs in playoff games, with arguable "choke jobs" for each.
Here are the facts. Brady has clearly better, and more efficient stats while being more durable and long lasting. Brady also has better records both in the playoffs and regular season. Brady got his team farther in the playoffs more frequently than Montana did as well.
Brady > Montana
No proof to show otherwise, other than some junk stats that were clearly pulled together for the sole sake of trying to make Montana look superior in certain situations. I could go and find about 15 articles doing the same for Brady. Your best argument, was yet again, a wash.
Facts are facts.
Sorry.
what a got
Kindly kill yourself after your 18 vanishes throughout this thread after you posted clearly incorrect material to "prove" Montana > Brady.
Eli 2-0 in Super Bowls
Elway 2-3 in Super Bowls
Clearly Eli > Elway
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