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    The big rotation is in absolute shambles . . .

    - Though Splitter has looked better the past two games, he inexplicably continues to come off the bench and have his minutes managed even more so than usual. He might yet regain his previous form this season.

    - But I don't think Diaw will. He's predictably looked out of gas and terrible all season. He was the one who made the awkwardness of not having a true PF, that's of starting caliber, work last season.

    - Meanwhile, Bonner looks flat out done. Fortunately, opposing coaches don't seem to have realized that they could probably get away with having their players pay him at least minimal respect at this point, but eventually they will, at which point he'll immediately cease all usefulness.

    - For all of Baynes' improvement, he still can't protect the rim or space the floor. The fact that he's occasionally hitting a mid ranger doesn't mean he's spacing the floor, since defenders don't bother defending him.

    I don't mind playing five right now, since none of these four has warranted consistent minutes and since they need to manage Duncan's and Diaw's minutes, but it's time to stop playing musical chairs with the starting spot opposite Duncan's. Not just for continuity's sake, but because it changes things so drastically depending on who it is.

    I'd rather Kirilenko than either, but I'm to the point now where I'd look into Stoudemire or even the corpse of Garnett if they're bought out. I know Stein reported the Mavs are the favorites for the former and his weakness are obviously well do ented, but still. If what we've seen to this point from Splitter, Diaw and Bonner, is what we're going to get the rest of the way, they're screwed.

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    Non issue.

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    I don't think Pop is going to stop tinkering until somewhere in March... that's normally when he settles on a rotation (barring rest/injury). I don't think we're going to make any moves. I suspect he'll play it like last playoffs and start Tiago/Diaw/Bonner depending on the matchups.

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    if we really need another big we can sign Michael Finley to play the 4 again

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    The obvious solution is getting Splitter back in some sort of rhythm.

    Baynes is a horrible paint defender and his ability to shoot really doesn't spread the floor..

    Why go away from what worked Pop?

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    Splitter back in rhythm isn't enough though, since even in peak form, he and Duncan can be an awkward fit in certain match-ups, which along with his inexplicable lack of stamina, limits his minutes.

    Diaw and to a lesser extent, Bonner, are my concerns and unfortunately, I don't see an uptick, at least not a significant one, coming.

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    Splitter back in rhythm isn't enough though, since even in peak form, he and Duncan can be an awkward fit in certain match-ups, which along with his inexplicable lack of stamina, limits his minutes.

    Diaw and to a lesser extent, Bonner, are my concerns and unfortunately, I don't see an uptick, at least not a significant one, coming.
    I can see Pop playing Parker-Ginobili-Green-Leonard-Duncan, if Diaw is not back come playoff time..

    I know that would force Kawhi to play 40+ minutes though.

    Still 32 games..The spurs are most likely going to stay PAT.

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    I really and truly believe Diaw is cruising and he'll start to turn it on post-ASB. If not then Pop should give him the Parker treatment and sit him a month. Either way, the Spurs need to make a move for a back-up 3/small ball 4 or a 4 athletic enough to guard 3s when needed.

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    wtf do you mean Baynes cannot protect the rim? He isn't a shot blocker due to mediocre hands but his rotations are solid and he forces a lot of bad shots by staying vertical and not lunging. He forced Stuckey and Hill into bad shots in this way.

    I'm going to guess you are looking at block numbers and think that tells the story.
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    Splitter and Diaw racing each other to the bottom.

    Hard to believe that Baynes is outplaying them two ...

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    Bonner looks flat out done? He has been done The fact he is even starting now or a part of the rotation makes me upset because last year he was hardly in the games a tall and the year before his minutes fell alot as well, the result was deep playoff runs. We saw what happened 09-011 with this bum getting major minutes and I hope that doesn't become an issue again to be honest.

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    I can see Pop playing Parker-Ginobili-Green-Leonard-Duncan, if Diaw is not back come playoff time..

    I know that would force Kawhi to play 40+ minutes though.

    Still 32 games..The spurs are most likely going to stay PAT.
    Too small in a lot of match-ups and it's not even about whether Leonard can defend a lot of PF's, because he'll generally guard the best opposing wing and Green the second, so Ginobili would have to guard/box out said PF's.

    Plus, they're more comfortable running the offense (whenever it is they actually start running it in more than fits and starts) with two bigs, which was apparently the reason for staying big in the '14 Finals far more than in the '13 Finals and why in general they've mostly gone away from small ball the past two seasons.

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    Too small in a lot of match-ups and it's not even about whether Leonard can defend a lot of PF's, because he'll generally guard the best opposing wing and Green the second, so Ginobili would have to guard/box out said PF's.

    Plus, they're more comfortable running the offense (whenever it is they actually start running it in more than fits and starts) with two bigs, which was apparently the reason for staying big in the '14 Finals far more than in the '13 Finals and why in general they've mostly gone away from small ball the past two seasons.
    Oh I 100% agree..I was simply suggesting a last minute replacement rotation....

    I think Ginobili xan guard opposing wing's just fine..Green is an elite defender.

    I have no idea what to do with Parker's matchup..Maybe sit him during defense in the last minute or so?

    I just don't think there's any room for a trade so we either hope for diaw to return or be forced to play Kawhi 40+ minutes.

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    Let's get NAZR Or Rasho back

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    Oh I 100% agree..I was simply suggesting a last minute replacement rotation....

    I think Ginobili xan guard opposing wing's just fine..Green is an elite defender.

    I have no idea what to do with Parker's matchup..Maybe sit him during defense in the last minute or so?

    I just don't think there's any room for a trade so we either hope for diaw to return or be forced to play Kawhi 40+ minutes.
    Ginobili would have to guard/box out opposing PF's if they go small regardless of match-up, so long as the team has a big wing that they need Leonard to defend.

    I don't see a trade coming either, but I still say they've got a good chance at Kirilenko, since Prince is more than likely Clippers bound.

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    The big rotation is in absolute shambles . . .

    - Though Splitter has looked better the past two games, he inexplicably continues to come off the bench and have his minutes managed even more so than usual. He might yet regain his previous form this season.

    - But I don't think Diaw will. He's predictably looked out of gas and terrible all season. He was the one who made the awkwardness of not having a true PF, that's of starting caliber, work last season.

    - Meanwhile, Bonner looks flat out done. Fortunately, opposing coaches don't seem to have realized that they could probably get away with having their players pay him at least minimal respect at this point, but eventually they will, at which point he'll immediately cease all usefulness.

    - For all of Baynes' improvement, he still can't protect the rim or space the floor. The fact that he's occasionally hitting a mid ranger doesn't mean he's spacing the floor, since defenders don't bother defending him.

    I don't mind playing five right now, since none of these four has warranted consistent minutes and since they need to manage Duncan's and Diaw's minutes, but it's time to stop playing musical chairs with the starting spot opposite Duncan's. Not just for continuity's sake, but because it changes things so drastically depending on who it is.

    I'd rather Kirilenko than either, but I'm to the point now where I'd look into Stoudemire or even the corpse of Garnett if they're bought out. I know Stein reported the Mavs are the favorites for the former and his weakness are obviously well do ented, but still. If what we've seen to this point from Splitter, Diaw and Bonner, is what we're going to get the rest of the way, they're screwed.
    Garnett? seriously... duncan would ask for a trade if Spurs sign Garnett..

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    Kirilennko is done..

    He's way worse than Diaw and hasn't played in ages....

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    Kirilennko is done..

    He's way worse than Diaw and hasn't played in ages....
    It's definitely more likely than not, but there's no way of knowing for sure. He had a lingering back issue last season and barely played and obviously he's played even less this season.

    It's worth signing him and giving him a look as the fourth big. At worst, he'd provide a semblance of Leonard insurance.

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    The problem is jumpshots, plain and simple.

    Bonner is useless if he isn't hitting 3's at am elite rate, and his current 36% average certainly isn't that. Compare it to his near 44% average over the past 4 years and you see the problem.

    Diaw is having an even worse shooting season, hitting only 30% from 3. That drop (down from 40% last year) combined with him taking those shots more often (19% of his shots last year to 30% this year) is problematic.

    Timmy is having his worst mid range shooting season in nearly a decade, hitting only 35% between 16ft and the 3 point line. This is a worrying trend as he was 37% last year from 40%+ the previous 6 years. He's taking that shot at a far lower rate, accounting for only 11% of his shots whereas is had accounted for over a quarter of his shots the past 3 years.

    This Spurs team is based around pace and space, and none of the bigs are giving anyone space with reluctance to take or inability to make jumpshots. Combine that being 19th in the league in pace, mainly due to Parker being out, and you can see why we've struggled mightily on offence.

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    Diaw is having an even worse shooting season, hitting only 30% from 3. That drop (down from 40% last year) combined with him taking those shots more often (19% of his shots last year to 30% this year) is problematic.
    His defense has been bad, too. Sadly it seems like Boris doesn't get the state of emergency of his game.

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    I'm a big Matty Ice fan but it's becoming increasingly apparent that his shot is gone. Not sure if it was strategic but West was actually sagging away from him on several possessions. What is Rashard Lewis up to? If Pop insists on a 4 that can stretch the floor and do little else, I'd much rather roll with Lewis tbh.

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    Notice OP cannot justify their comments on Baynes defense.

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    Bonner looks flat out done? He has been done The fact he is even starting now or a part of the rotation makes me upset because last year he was hardly in the games a tall and the year before his minutes fell alot as well, the result was deep playoff runs. We saw what happened 09-011 with this bum getting major minutes and I hope that doesn't become an issue again to be honest.
    lol, good .

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    I'm not terribly worried about Diaw. Obviously, his spectacular play last season was due, in large part, to the motivation he had from a contract year. Now that he's been rewarded with a fat new contract, he's been coasting like crazy. It doesn't help that his role in the rotation has been erratic.

    On the whole, I believe his coasting stems from his naturally laid-back personality. Once his role in the rotation is firmly established and the bright lights of the playoffs come on, he should play significantly better.

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    i also think it's funny that Blayers takes so long to come to mind.

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