Well, I already said what the upside was (that they'd have him locked up for cheap if he explodes while having a mid-sized expiring if he busts). Essentially, the team converts this year's MLE into an MLE either next year or in 2016. It has nothing to do with just barely out-competing other offers.
For Stoudamire, he would get $6.5 Million over the next two years. It's going to be hard for him to even get an MLE deal next summer, so he's coming out ahead here. I'm sure he'd want a player option, but there's no way I'd want to give him that.
Also, if they sign him to a one-year deal and he plays well enough that they want to re-sign him, they're going to have to use next year's MLE to do so. If only one of Tim/Manu return, that would be a poor use of the exception.
With good wing D and Tiago/Duncan, we can afford to give Amare minutes against bench big men that he can eat up. He has his flaws but just like Patty can spark an offense that is lingering. He can also spark the guy he is defending so only small spurts please.
Dallas would only make a problem worse in that their D is already too reliant on Tyson.
Even if the Spurs were to land this guy, how much impact would he have on the floor? It takes guys at least a year and a half just to get them acclimated to the way the Spurs run things, let alone play a guy significant minutes a few months away from the playoffs. Move on. Not gonna happen. If anything Kyle Anderson will be back with the Spurs to get him some much needed playoff experience.
I thought were were past this myth already. The Spurs plug and play new players whenever it makes sense. Sure, new guys don't always get big minutes, but that's more a function of the team already having a strong rotation rather than their system requiring a long time to learn. Whenever there's a hole in the rotation, new players fill them rather quickly. Neal played stable playoff minutes his first season. Green was a starter during the 2012 run his first full season. Kawhi, obviously, and Diaw even more.
I disagree with Harlem that STAT wouldn't be able to fit with the Spurs. I think the bench could totally use a strong post scorer. The Spurs need some reliable points from their bigs, and only Tim seems able to provide them this season. Even with the defensive issues, it seems clear to me that Amar'e would have a ready-made role on the team, and that's more critical to his sucess than play knowledge.
"Amar'e would have a ready-made role on the team"
Amare never played defense, hasn't done for years, cut by bottom dwelling Knickerbockers, this ain't 2005 anymore.
And he's too stupid, LOW BBIQ, to play in a structured system like the Spurs or Pheel's triangle.
Nice to see you add something to the conversation."Amar'e would have a ready-made role on the team"
Amare never played defense, hasn't done for years, cut by bottom dwelling Knickerbockers, this ain't 2005 anymore.
I don't mind Amare, he has more left in the tank than Butler/Granger and others did, but his skill-set isn't really suited for top-level teams..he's currently one of the most ISO-oriented players in the NBA, his only significant value is creating for himself in face-up situations..it's useful for teams that require scoring and a bench presence, but he would be a terrible fit for a team that relies heavily on ball movement..
I disagree....in his prime, the amare-nash pick n roll ed people up pretty good....he was forced into iso sets in NY after his boy dantoni left and never truly fit in....then the injuries......
if we could even get 2010-2011 amare thatd be ok....but i think that player is long gone by now...
Okay, a little better now. However, STAT was a key member of one of the most prolific offenses ever, so it's not like he doesn't have chops. And the Spurs' offense isn't really that complicated. They run a ton of PnR just like the Suns. They just also have other sets. STAT can screen an roll just like Baynes can. The upside is that in games without Manu, they can get 12 or so points by just letting Amare ISO, which while not ideal is simply something that now other big outside of Tim and sometimes Diaw can do."Amar'e would have a ready-made role on the team"
Amare never played defense, hasn't done for years, cut by bottom dwelling Knickerbockers, this ain't 2005 anymore.
And he's too stupid, LOW BBIQ, to play in a structured system like the Spurs or Pheel's triangle.
that man, if we want to take a gamble on a buyout, Larry Sanders is supposed to be imminent.
I don't really care that he's a stoner up with personality issues, or whatever's going on with him since it's hard to tell between dumb sports media takes and so on, unlike Amare he'd actually be young enough to be worth the gamble. It's not an Andrew Bynum situation where that dude was physically done anyway. Sanders is worth the gamble, and someone is going to take it.
Though I guess we'd get outbid.
Seems like people forget that 2015 Duncan>>>2011 Duncan could happen to anyone.
I believe the Spurs could utilize him better than most teams. That's why I wouldn't care if he ended up in Dallas. They would count on him way too much (like Rondo) and he would fall flat on his face.
Here, he gets some spot minutes and he's encouraged to shoot. He'd probably love it.
Put it this way: who is/was better, Amar'e 2015 or Bobcats Diaw in 2012?
I'll grant that Diaw's game fits the Spurs' system much better than Amar'e, but I see Chinook's point that an efficient big man scorer like Amar'e (18th in the league in TS% this season) could help the bench, especially by soaking up minutes in the regular season against bad teams, saving wear on the main bigs.
I don't know man, I like the guy but he doesn't seem to have his head on straight. If he was a nut but showed up every night and gave you solid minutes like a professional, that would be one thing. But apparently he's too aloof and non-committal with his teammates. That wouldn't go well.
For all of Amare's issues, at least he's professional. Whether he can still play is another question.
Or who is the better option as a 4th big for 12-15mpg in the playoffs, Amare or Baynes/Bonner?
Amare can fit on these Spurs, but greater roles exist for him in LA and Dallas
Also, 2015 Amar'e is actually a pretty good player. He'd be an awesome fourth big and would fit in well next to Diaw.
It's possible that STAT can't handle a bigger role, though. The Knicks have been managing his minutes like crazy. I think he'd get over played in LAC or DAL. Obviously, he's playing for a contract, which is why the Spurs' offering him more money and an extra would be a nice get for him. Did you happen to find out any thing else about buyouts and max contracts?
San Antonio isn't black enough for him. He'll choose either Dallas or LA, tbh.
He may not be able to handle a bigger role, but I doubt that he believes that he can't.
I can't find anything on the max contract/buyout situation.
This same argument was used with Belinelli. Talk about his offense for as long as you can before you have to mention his defense. He's been a traffic cone on defense his entire career and now he's a traffic cone at half speed. As if the Spurs didn't already lack rim protection. However, I'm all for the signing because it will surely shift some of the focus off of TP as being the worst defender on the team.
The only real purpose for signing Amare is if your future plans don't include Baynes. Otherwise, he's redundant.
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By all accounts, Mavs seem to clear frontrunners here. At this point I'd be very surprised if he didn't end up in Dallas.
Couple quick points:
1. 2005 STAT isn't 2015 STAT. He was a great PnR player in the 7 sec suns, but those days are long gone. Parker isn't Nash, and for the last 4-5 seasons STAT has been in ISO heavy systems. Maybe he could revert back to a decent PnR player but he could just as well struggle trying to overcome the habits he has picked up over the last half-decade.
2. Injuries are a concern. STAT has missed 17 games already this season due to rest/injury. Over his career he has literally had injuries from head to toe, but the most pressing being the various back ailments and the issues with his knees, neither of which are going to miraculously return to their pre-injury form. Not to mention his penchant for punching fire extinguishers.
3. Potential Defensive issues with the 2nd line up. STAT can't be paired with Duncan unless the Spurs want to get killed on the PnR (foot speed is an issue with both), which leaves him with the 2nd unit. However, that means he is replacing either Splitter or Diaw. Keep in mind that the 2nd unit is already compensating somewhat for Patty's lack of size and lack of offensive facilitation and Marco's D. By removing one of Diaw or Splitter chances are the Spurs weaken either playmaking ability (possibly replacing it with STAT ISOs) or their defense. This at a time where the 2nd unit is generally making the winning push for the team.
4. Larry Sanders. There is no chance of getting Larry Sanders, he's not even an option so I don't get the "We should go after Sanders instead" arguments. His team which has no All-Stars but is still only one game in the loss column behind the Cavs (Lebron + 2 All-stars). Its not a matter of being in a bad situation, and this isn't the first incident involving his lack of work ethic/character issues. Even if by some weird change of events he publicly stated that he wanted to play for the Spurs and only the Spurs for the minimum, why would an organization famous for going after people who "get over themselves" pick up a guy who quit on his team and has repeated smoked pot to the detriment of it without regard for his teammates or the organization. Not happening.
Yeah, the point is, with Dallas he could easily play 25-28 mins a night, and that could even rise with Chandler and Dirk being injury prone, just like he is, so with the extended minutes he could get hurt too. With Spurs he would not play more than 20, have his minutes and numbers down, but really cared about and obviously he would be a 4th big playing against other bench players, other than being the first big off the bench.
For me, he could play with all of our bigs. The Diaw-Stat FC would need Leonard to board hard, but other than that Amare can provide some spacing, he runs the floor, not a very bad week side/help defender (this is something we really lack with Tim slowing down), so if we could get him, do it, RC.
One other thing: We didn't have a major injury in the PO's since 2011. Tim is 38, Diaw is 32, and rounded as , and Splitter is almost always injured. If any or this guys get hurt, we will be forced to play either Baynes or Bonner as a third big, which seems scary as right now it seems like either Memphis, Portland or Houston will be our first round matchup. I just don't want to see Bonner playing 24 mins againts Z-Bo.
#signamare
Noted. I will say that while Parker is no Nash, Manu is about as close as they come in PnR situations. Also, STAT's new iso ball is not a bad fit on a bench that desperately needs players who can get their own shots every once in a while.
Yep, which is why the Spurs make the most sense for him. He doesn't need to get the wear on his body that he'd get in Dallas/LAC.2. Injuries are a concern. STAT has missed 17 games already this season due to rest/injury. Over his career he has literally had injuries from head to toe, but the most pressing being the various back ailments and the issues with his knees, neither of which are going to miraculously return to their pre-injury form. Not to mention his penchant for punching fire extinguishers.
I don't see an issue here. Splitter would start and STAT would be on the bench with Diaw. That way, the Spurs have a scoring big and a mobile defender on the court at all times. Sure, the bench would be a little bit of a glass cannon, but that's to be expected. Pop's clearly okay with that if he's going to play Mills and Marco so many minutes. It'd be no worse than it is now with Baynes on the court.3. Potential Defensive issues with the 2nd line up. STAT can't be paired with Duncan unless the Spurs want to get killed on the PnR (foot speed is an issue with both), which leaves him with the 2nd unit. However, that means he is replacing either Splitter or Diaw. Keep in mind that the 2nd unit is already compensating somewhat for Patty's lack of size and lack of offensive facilitation and Marco's D. By removing one of Diaw or Splitter chances are the Spurs weaken either playmaking ability (possibly replacing it with STAT ISOs) or their defense. This at a time where the 2nd unit is generally making the winning push for the team.
Yep. No way Sanders is on the radar. However, he could come into play in that Dallas may end up picking Sanders over STAT or O'Neal. Cubes really wanted him, and they may like him long-term.4. Larry Sanders. There is no chance of getting Larry Sanders, he's not even an option so I don't get the "We should go after Sanders instead" arguments. His team which has no All-Stars but is still only one game in the loss column behind the Cavs (Lebron + 2 All-stars). Its not a matter of being in a bad situation, and this isn't the first incident involving his lack of work ethic/character issues. Even if by some weird change of events he publicly stated that he wanted to play for the Spurs and only the Spurs for the minimum, why would an organization famous for going after people who "get over themselves" pick up a guy who quit on his team and has repeated smoked pot to the detriment of it without regard for his teammates or the organization. Not happening
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