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    everybody knows why the Heat were vilified, and the Cavs are currently celebrated..it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but virtually every White man in America knows the reason..
    Because there are no black people on the Cavs...? Or the Heat had no white people (like Mike Miller, a coon if I ever saw one)?

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    Harlem's LeCoon schtick is actually pretty funny. Not as overdone as the TP schtick tbh.

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    Harlem's LeCoon schtick is actually pretty funny. Not as overdone as the TP schtick tbh.
    I wish the Tony Parker "shtick" was just a shtick..he's ing embarrassing..

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    When the sandwich was on the menu, you ducked out of Cleveland fandom as if it was the Chuckbox, with nary a bite taken. Now that it's easy to root for the Cavs, you're back. It's chicken .
    Keep it up, mother er, and I will go right back into the Reading Room and I will shut the Venetian blinds on the door.

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    As much as everyone seems to rail against the dude, people seem willing to play with Lebron. People in the league seem to like him. I have mixed feelings about him, but overall he's not nearly the bag that Kobe is, and yet he could have been since he's head and shoulders better than Bryant ever was. By "better" I don't mean a better shooter. He's better all around than Kobe, but only because Kobe never wanted anything but individual glory. He was dragged kicking and screaming to 5 by others who were capable.
    I don't think he is a strait up malicious douch. I do think he is overatted ( and yes I do feel he is very overrated but that's for another thread) by people and the media and he has let the go to his head. One of his biggest weakness he has is his maturity level, I don't think he is capable of handling the pressure of being a big name, so he comes off as spoiled and like a attention . That being said however I do believe he is a great and fun guy to be around.

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    - There are still plenty of people that hate Le . It's primarily the national media that tries to force this "Everyone loves Cleveland!" agenda

    - It has nothing to do with ing race; it's the fact that people see Lebron returning to Cleveland as some kind of evidence of maturation, when it is exactly the opposite. Staying in Miami and trying to bounce back from the Finals loss and the imminent decline of Wade would have taken hard work, whereas returning to Cleveland (where he will be beloved regardless of how many les he brings them) and making another 'big 3' was an easy way out.

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    Horrible take. LeBron has never had any help.
    obviously troll is obvious

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    Lol same author both times. Guy has an agenda
    He's just reporting what people are afraid to investigate, tbh..

    agenda..

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    obviously troll is obvious
    Cavs without LeBron = historically bad.
    Heat without LeBron = a fluky season from Hassan Whiteside is the only thing keeping them out of lottery status in the trash East, despite "superstars" Bosh and Wade still being on the team.

    He's had soooo much help, though

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    Cavs without LeBron = historically bad.
    Heat without LeBron = a fluky season from Hassan Whiteside is the only thing keeping them out of lottery status in the trash East, despite "superstars" Bosh and Wade still being on the team.

    He's had soooo much help, though
    Ya, I hate LeCoon, but it's insane how much his former teams have fallen off once he departed..

    The 1994 Bulls were a game away from the ing Conference Finals without Dad Killer, although it was in the weakest era of basketball in NBA history..

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    Ya, I hate LeCoon, but it's insane how much his former teams have fallen off once he departed..

    The 1994 Bulls were a game away from the ing Conference Finals without Dad Killer, although it was in the weakest era of basketball in NBA history..
    Has a lot to do with Phil Jackson tbh. You can't give Pippen that much credit for that. However, the reason why the Cavs fell off is because they sucked ass anyway. The reason why Miami fell off is because Lebron abandoned the team once Wade's knee continued to regenerate.

    It's very hard to have your team leader leave, very few if any teams ever recover.

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    Has a lot to do with Phil Jackson tbh. You can't give Pippen that much credit for that. However, the reason why the Cavs fell off is because they sucked ass anyway. The reason why Miami fell off is because Lebron abandoned the team once Wade's knee continued to regenerate.

    It's very hard to have your team leader leave, very few if any teams ever recover.
    Speaking from a basketball standpoint and putting trolling aside, Lebron's teams suffer when he departs because of the way they're built, tbh..he's very ball-dominant, and it's extremely difficult to build a team around him IMO, so it's natural that they decline immensely once he's gone..

    And I agree about Phil..people are naive if they think that Jordan, one of the tiest teammates and human beings in sports history, would be able to lead a team full of players that hated him, without Phil Jackson leading the way..the man won with Kobe and Shaq hating each other and made it to the Finals the same season that Kobe snitched to the ing feds..

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    & Gilbert has played it appropriately. He didn't disgrace himself with endless self dressing down & apology. He got back on his in' horse and started ridin' & workin', ropin' & stringin', doggies & wire, barbed type. And Media let him be, that was a help, a Godsend. & yet he finds himself in some discomfort, Media startin' to sniff and triggers a trade and brings in that ner'do well Smith and by God if it doesn't work out. A watershed moment if there ever was one. Usually that kind of trade in that kind of atmosphere around a disaster like Smith ends up ass over teacup. Not this time. Uh, uh. Not by a jugful.

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    Ya, I hate LeCoon, but it's insane how much his former teams have fallen off once he departed..

    The 1994 Bulls were a game away from the ing Conference Finals without Dad Killer, although it was in the weakest era of basketball in NBA history..
    Heat added Luol Deng

    1994 Bulls added: Kerr, Kukoc, Wennington and Longley. Essentially the bench of the next 3-peat

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    & Gilbert has played it appropriately. He didn't disgrace himself with endless self dressing down & apology. He got back on his in' horse and started ridin' & workin', ropin' & stringin', doggies & wire, barbed type. And Media let him be, that was a help, a Godsend. & yet he finds himself in some discomfort, Media startin' to sniff and triggers a trade and brings in that ner'do well Smith and by God if it doesn't work out. A watershed moment if there ever was one. Usually that kind of trade in that kind of atmosphere around a disaster like Smith ends up ass over teacup. Not this time. Uh, uh. Not by a jugful.
    Goddamn you're senile.

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    Speaking from a basketball standpoint and putting trolling aside, Lebron's teams suffer when he departs because of the way they're built, tbh..he's very ball-dominant, and it's extremely difficult to build a team around him IMO, so it's natural that they decline immensely once he's gone..

    And I agree about Phil..people are naive if they think that Jordan, one of the tiest teammates and human beings in sports history, would be able to lead a team full of players that hated him, without Phil Jackson leading the way..the man won with Kobe and Shaq hating each other and made it to the Finals the same season that Kobe snitched to the ing feds..
    There's no denying what a beast LBJ is. All BS aside, if he had Phil Jackson as a HC that guy would be on ring #5 right now easily. One of the problems is though that he doesnt stay in 1 damn spot very long.

    But yeah, I always crack up at the old saying,"MJ carried Phil to 6 les." That's like saying Brady carried Bellicheck to superbowl victories. Don't get me wrong, Phil always had an EPIC legendary roster in his teams, but thats the funny part, most coaches crumble when they have 3-4 superstars who want the same damn ball. Phil had a system, knew how to put these s in their place psychologically.

    Its not a coincedence MJ and Kobe have been absolute monkey without Phil in their careers

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    Cavs without LeBron = historically bad.
    Heat without LeBron = a fluky season from Hassan Whiteside is the only thing keeping them out of lottery status in the trash East, despite "superstars" Bosh and Wade still being on the team.

    He's had soooo much help, though
    Wade was a lot better during the Heat's first le run. Now he's never healthy. Lebron did basically win it on his own for his second le since Bosh and Wade were useless. Lebron arguably had more help when he lost to the Mavs when RC exposed his weaknesses offensively by implementing the zone.

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    There's no denying what a beast LBJ is. All BS aside, if he had Phil Jackson as a HC that guy would be on ring #5 right now easily. One of the problems is though that he doesnt stay in 1 damn spot very long.

    But yeah, I always crack up at the old saying,"MJ carried Phil to 6 les." That's like saying Brady carried Bellicheck to superbowl victories. Don't get me wrong, Phil always had an EPIC legendary roster in his teams, but thats the funny part, most coaches crumble when they have 3-4 superstars who want the same damn ball. Phil had a system, knew how to put these s in their place psychologically.

    Its not a coincedence MJ and Kobe have been absolute monkey without Phil in their careers
    Phil's job was easier in Chicago. Jordan was the only guy who truly demanded the ball. All the other guys outside of maybe Pippen were really complimentary players but Pippen wasn't even close to MJ's level scoring wise.

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    To say Lebron didn't have any help is stupid and on a -sucking level. He had a great defensive team, a top 5 big man in Bosh and a top 5 sg in Wade. Of course he had helped. Now, no one can deny that the Heat is this season but that only says that Lebron is truly a once in a lifetime kind of talent.

    It's like saying Duncan didn't have any help, remove him from the Spurs and we get beaten in the 1st round.

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    It's true, though. LeBron has never had an MVPippen, MVPau or prime Shaq to carry him. The closest thing he had to that was Wade and Bosh on paper, yet on the court, they were exposed and completely dependent on LeBron switching into "Cleveland Mode" in order to win anything. The teams he had during his first stint with the Cavs were garbage and this year's team isn't much better.

    Remember how bad the 2003 Spurs would have been without Duncan? That's what LeBron's been dealing with his whole career.

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    It's true, though. LeBron has never had an MVPippen, MVPau or prime Shaq to carry him. The closest thing he had to that was Wade and Bosh on paper, yet on the court, they were exposed and completely dependent on LeBron switching into "Cleveland Mode" in order to win anything. The teams he had during his first stint with the Cavs were garbage and this year's team isn't much better.

    Remember how bad the 2003 Spurs would have been without Duncan? That's what LeBron's been dealing with his whole career.
    Yah didn't state otherwise. I know it's your schtick but cmon he has had helped in Miami

    Just proves that Lebron is a top 10 GOAT material. Once in a lifetime talent, seriosuly.

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    As much as everyone seems to rail against the dude, people seem willing to play with Lebron. People in the league seem to like him. I have mixed feelings about him, but overall he's not nearly the bag that Kobe is, and yet he could have been since he's head and shoulders better than Bryant ever was. By "better" I don't mean a better shooter. He's better all around than Kobe, but only because Kobe never wanted anything but individual glory. He was dragged kicking and screaming to 5 by others who were capable.
    He seems a bit of a to me as well, but also seems to be a really good teammate. He seems to care for other guys on his team, and also seems to create a fun atmosphere whereve he plays. Kobe is arguably even beyond Jordan-level jerk to his teammates. No one ever seems to really enjoy playing on his team, though I am sure there are exceptions. But by and large the Lakers under Kobe always seemed business-like and never like guys who were enjoying the time of their life while playing in the NBA.

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    In the 2011 Finals you could argue Wade was even a better player than LeBron, so yeah he had help in Miami. Clearly Wade declined afterwards but he was still giving you 20 a night during the playoffs. And if anything I think Bosh got better and better as the years went by, he really learned how to fit in that team because early on he was often lost.

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