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    Rand Paul caught lying about his college record

    Senator's office forced to admit that he never graduated from Baylor University

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/13/rand...ollege_record/

    Ayn Randian Paul is a self-certifying fraud and liar.

    Libertarianism is fraudulent




    This is probably one of the stupidest articles ever published. Bravo.

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    More ony why Paul's legislation is bad. Pretty much in line with Warren's objections.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...dangerous-2016
    Rand Paul Draws Liberal Fire As The Left Discovers Its Inner Love Of The Fed, Part One

    The New Republic, in its February 8th issue, carries an article by Danny Vinik en led Rand Paul Has the Most Dangerous Economic Views of Any 2016 Candidate. It appears that TNR’s fact checkers decamped along with its top journalists. Vinik:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphben...-fed-part-one/


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    But the Paul camp views the “audit the Fed” campaign as a low-stakes way to remind the voters who propelled his father’s previous presidential bids that the younger Paul is on their side, too.

    And some Iowa political operatives say that while the push may raise concerns with the business community down the road, the issue is sufficiently obscure that Paul is not in serious danger of alienating anyone over it at this point.

    “Audit the Fed is an issue that plays to our base voters,” said Steve Grubbs, a top Paul strategist in Iowa. “It’s an issue that’s been around for a number of years and it’s one that’s important libertarian Republicans know Sen. Paul is fully behind.”

    He added that “the core of our base [voters] are liberty voters” and that “our first job is to earn as much of that base vote as we can.” Ron Paul won 21 percent of the vote in the 2012 Iowa caucuses.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...ns-115226.html

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    But the Paul camp views the “audit the Fed” campaign as a low-stakes way to remind the voters who propelled his father’s previous presidential bids that the younger Paul is on their side, too.

    And some Iowa political operatives say that while the push may raise concerns with the business community down the road, the issue is sufficiently obscure that Paul is not in serious danger of alienating anyone over it at this point.

    “Audit the Fed is an issue that plays to our base voters,” said Steve Grubbs, a top Paul strategist in Iowa. “It’s an issue that’s been around for a number of years and it’s one that’s important libertarian Republicans know Sen. Paul is fully behind.”

    He added that “the core of our base [voters] are liberty voters” and that “our first job is to earn as much of that base vote as we can.” Ron Paul won 21 percent of the vote in the 2012 Iowa caucuses.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...ns-115226.html
    This article was written at the Fed by a ghostwriter on the taxpayer dime, and then handed over to Fed propaganda arm Politico.


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    This article was written at the Fed by a ghostwriter on the taxpayer dime, and then handed over to Fed propaganda arm Politico.

    2016 watch: Rand Paul's PAC hires Iowa's Steve Grubbs

    In a statement today, Paul said: "If we're to be successful in putting together an effective organization to advance the cause of liberty and freedom, we need to have successful state operations. Steve's experience as state chair, serving in the Iowa Legislature and working for five previous presidential campaigns will help us build on what we already have in place. He will join A.J er in Iowa, and Doug Stafford nationally, in leading the organization that I rely on to advance the cause of liberty in Iowa and nationwide."

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...-pac/11773459/

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    2016 watch: Rand Paul's PAC hires Iowa's Steve Grubbs

    In a statement today, Paul said: "If we're to be successful in putting together an effective organization to advance the cause of liberty and freedom, we need to have successful state operations. Steve's experience as state chair, serving in the Iowa Legislature and working for five previous presidential campaigns will help us build on what we already have in place. He will join A.J er in Iowa, and Doug Stafford nationally, in leading the organization that I rely on to advance the cause of liberty in Iowa and nationwide."

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...-pac/11773459/
    By Ben White and Katie Glueck

    2/16/15 5:06 PM EST

    Updated 2/16/15 10:43 PM EST
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3RybYMhqo

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    “Audit the Fed is an issue that plays to our base voters,” said Steve Grubbs, a top Paul strategist in Iowa. “It’s an issue that’s been around for a number of years and it’s one that’s important libertarian Republicans know Sen. Paul is fully behind.”

    He added that “the core of our base [voters] are liberty voters” and that “our first job is to earn as much of that base vote as we can.” Ron Paul won 21 percent of the vote in the 2012 Iowa caucuses.

    This article was written at the Fed by a ghostwriter on the taxpayer dime, and then handed over to Fed propaganda arm Politico
    2016 watch: Rand Paul's PAC hires Iowa's Steve Grubbs

    In a statement today, Paul said: "If we're to be successful in putting together an effective organization to advance the cause of liberty and freedom, we need to have successful state operations. Steve's experience as state chair, serving in the Iowa Legislature and working for five previous presidential campaigns will help us build on what we already have in place. He will join A.J er in Iowa, and Doug Stafford nationally, in leading the organization that I rely on to advance the cause of liberty in Iowa and nationwide."

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...-pac/11773459/

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    IOW, Rand's campaign is pushing your buttons to get your vote...

    Ron, even if wrong, had a moral compass, IMO...

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    “Audit the Fed is an issue that plays to our base voters,” said Steve Grubbs, a top Paul strategist in Iowa. “It’s an issue that’s been around for a number of years and it’s one that’s important libertarian Republicans know Sen. Paul is fully behind.”

    He added that “the core of our base [voters] are liberty voters” and that “our first job is to earn as much of that base vote as we can.” Ron Paul won 21 percent of the vote in the 2012 Iowa caucuses.
    What is your point? Practically everyone wants to regulate the big banks.

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    What is your point? Practically everyone wants to regulate the big banks.
    My point is what I mentioned earlier: Rand is your typical mainstream politician, pushing the buttons he needs to push to get the monkeys dancing (ie: see this thread). Unlike his dad, his positions largely do not come from conviction.

    In that sense he's a lot closer to Warren et all, than Ron Paul...

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    On the other hand, that might open the door for him to actually win an election.

    BTW, I know very little about Warren, I suspect she's another typical politico.

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    My point is what I mentioned earlier: Rand is your typical mainstream politician, pushing the buttons he needs to push to get the monkeys dancing (ie: see this thread). Unlike his dad, his positions largely do not come from conviction.

    In that sense he's a lot closer to Warren et all, than Ron Paul...
    Politico pulled a quote from an interview and printed it with an unsaid implication to rile Paul supporters. I will not take the bait.

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    On the other hand, that might open the door for him to actually win an election.

    BTW, I know very little about Warren, I suspect she's another typical politico.
    Now you are talking.

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    Politico pulled a quote from an interview and printed it with an unsaid implication to rile Paul supporters. I will not take the bait.
    I think the implication is pretty clear. Then again, that's what Paul pays the guy to do, so it isn't necessarily surprising or indicting.

    I just think peeps looking at Rand to follow the legacy of Ron, are up for disappointment, that's all. I don't particularly dislike Rand, although I'm not a fan either.

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    I think the implication is pretty clear. Then again, that's what Paul pays the guy to do, so it isn't necessarily surprising or indicting.

    I just think peeps looking at Rand to follow the legacy of Ron, are up for disappointment, that's all. I don't particularly dislike Rand, although I'm not a fan either.
    If you think that Rand wants to audit the Fed just to rally the masses. then you are dead wrong:

    Rand Paul says audit bill is ‘first step’ toward more say on monetary policy
    http://www.marke ch.com/story/ran...icy-2015-02-12

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    If you think that Rand wants to audit the Fed just to rally the masses. then you are dead wrong:

    Rand Paul says audit bill is ‘first step’ toward more say on monetary policy
    http://www.marke ch.com/story/ran...icy-2015-02-12
    That's just what America needs, Rand Paul, etc influencing, making monetary policy. Banks created and own the Fed. Nothing RP can do about that.

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    That's just what America needs, Rand Paul, etc influencing, making monetary policy. Banks created and own the Fed. Nothing RP can do about that.
    Stopping bailouts is what it means. It also means stop inflating the currency and enriching the super-wealthy (who finance elections). In 1913, you could buy a year's supply of food for $20. Today you get a couple meals at McDonalds.

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    Stopping bailouts is what it means. It also means stop inflating the currency and enriching the super-wealthy (who finance elections). In 1913, you could buy a year's supply of food for $20. Today you get a couple meals at McDonalds.
    your friendly libertarians and Repugs just voted to have taxpayers bailout the banks. The Fed wasn't involved. Banks will also be able to steal depositors funds to stay afloat. Fed wasn't involved. Fed's policies are much more benign than politicians' policies.

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    If you think that Rand wants to audit the Fed just to rally the masses. then you are dead wrong:

    Rand Paul says audit bill is ‘first step’ toward more say on monetary policy
    http://www.marke ch.com/story/ran...icy-2015-02-12
    Well, that's the point... the Fed is actually audited pretty regularly. His endgame, spelled out clearly in his bill, is to insert political meddling in the Fed.

    But that is why the bill is going nowhere.

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    Stopping bailouts is what it means. It also means stop inflating the currency and enriching the super-wealthy (who finance elections). In 1913, you could buy a year's supply of food for $20. Today you get a couple meals at McDonalds.
    How is that a bad thing? We're talking 100+ years of stable, minimal inflation. That example actually supports the case for an independent Fed.

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    How is that a bad thing? We're talking 100+ years of stable, minimal inflation. That example actually supports the case for an independent Fed.
    There was no net inflation from 1787 until 1913.

    1787: US economy 0.5% of world

    1913: US economy 42% of world (Fed created, net inflation begins)

    2015: US economy 15% of world

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    Well, that's the point... the Fed is actually audited pretty regularly. His endgame, spelled out clearly in his bill, is to insert political meddling in the Fed.

    But that is why the bill is going nowhere.
    If the Fed is audited, then the Fed should not opposes a simple audit of the Fed. Not rocket science.

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    There was no net inflation from 1787 until 1913.
    lol "net". There was deflation and inflation like any other time in history. ie:

    $1 worth of 1814 dollars is now worth $13.51
    $1 worth of 1845 dollars is now worth $31.25

    Not to mention that at those times, and pegged to gold, we couldn't have the GDP size we have now. The panic of 1907 already shown that having an inelastic currency with very little liquidity did nothing to prevent bank runs, etc. That's why the Fed was created to begin with.

    Compared to other currencies (the only barometer that matters), the US dollar has had tremendous stability.

    If the Fed is audited, then the Fed should not opposes a simple audit of the Fed. Not rocket science.
    The Fed has no vote to oppose anything. The general opposition is towards politicians trying to meddle with the Fed's political independence.

    But Rand Paul knows he's just pushing buttons and his bill isn't going nowhere. As explained by one of his campaign managers.

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    lol "net". There was deflation and inflation like any other time in history. ie:

    $1 worth of 1814 dollars is now worth $13.51
    $1 worth of 1845 dollars is now worth $31.25

    Not to mention that at those times, and pegged to gold, we couldn't have the GDP size we have now. The panic of 1907 already shown that having an inelastic currency with very little liquidity did nothing to prevent bank runs, etc. That's why the Fed was created to begin with.

    Compared to other currencies (the only barometer that matters), the US dollar has had tremendous stability.



    The Fed has no vote to oppose anything. The general opposition is towards politicians trying to meddle with the Fed's political independence.

    But Rand Paul knows he's just pushing buttons and his bill isn't going nowhere. As explained by one of his campaign managers.
    Those stats are incorrect. The Fed does not include food or energy in inflation stats anymore. Just another reason to audit the Fed.

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    Those stats are incorrect.
    How so?

    The Fed does not include food or energy in inflation stats anymore. Just another reason to audit the Fed.
    The Fed doesn't calculate inflation, the Bureau of Labor Statistics does, whose Commissioner is confirmed by Congress.

    You seem to be pretty ill informed about what the Fed is, and what it does.

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