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    Money on Miami nabbing him.
    They have the non drug version already.

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    "If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the apron under any cir stance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc.

    A team that is hard-capped can sign players to non-guaranteed contracts for training camp or the regular season, but must rid themselves of such players before their salary would take the team above the apron. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the apron."
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    What you're going for, I think, is identifying which teams retain the ability to offer more than a prorated share of the vet minimum to a free agent. Being subject to a hard cap doesn't mean that a team can't offer more than the minimum. It just means that their total spending can't rise above the apron. If they retain a salary cap exception and sufficient space under the apron, then they can offer more than the minimum. The three hard capped teams listed above have used their available salary cap exceptions for 2014-15 and can't offer anything other than the minimum.

    Dallas and Cleveland both signed free agents using cap space and used their room exceptions, so both of those teams also are down to minimum offers.

    There are other playoff teams, however, that retain salary exceptions or cap space. Atlanta, for example, has almost 5M in cap space remaining (Danny Ferry would be the frontrunner for Exec of the Year in a normal year).

    Basketball Insiders has a one page summary that shows all remaining exceptions and cap space:

    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...s-at-a-glance/

    Lack of an available roster space is no real obstacle to signing a free agent at this point as the least valuable player on the roster can simply be waived.

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    What you're going for, I think, is identifying which teams retain the ability to offer more than a prorated share of the vet minimum to a free agent. Being subject to a hard cap doesn't mean that a team can't offer more than the minimum. It just means that their total spending can't rise above the apron. If they retain a salary cap exception and sufficient space under the apron, then they can offer more than the minimum. The three hard capped teams listed above have used their available salary cap exceptions for 2014-15 and can't offer anything other than the minimum.

    Dallas and Cleveland both signed free agents using cap space and used their room exceptions, so both of those teams also are down to minimum offers.

    There are other playoff teams, however, that retain salary exceptions or cap space. Atlanta, for example, has almost 5M in cap space remaining (Danny Ferry would be the frontrunner for Exec of the Year in a normal year).

    Basketball Insiders has a one page summary that shows all remaining exceptions and cap space:

    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...s-at-a-glance/

    Lack of an available roster space is no real obstacle to signing a free agent at this point as the least valuable player on the roster can simply be waived.
    OK. I think I misunderstood the hard cap. I thought that once a team uses the MLE it can't exceed the luxury tax line by more than $4 million for any reason. So even the hard capped teams can still offer vet. min. contracts despite having no exceptions remaining. thanks for the correction.

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    OK. I think I misunderstood the hard cap. I thought that once a team uses the MLE it can't exceed the luxury tax line by more than $4 million for any reason. So even the hard capped teams can still offer vet. min. contracts despite having no exceptions remaining. thanks for the correction.
    Nope. You're correct in that assumption. Min contracts can't be offered if they would make the team exceed the hard cap. However, just because a team is hard capped doesn't mean that they are too close to the cap to offer a min salary. Any team that uses the non-taxpayer MLE or receives a player in a S&T is technically hard-capped.

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    OK. I think I misunderstood the hard cap. I thought that once a team uses the MLE it can't exceed the luxury tax line by more than $4 million for any reason. So even the hard capped teams can still offer vet. min. contracts despite having no exceptions remaining. thanks for the correction.
    That is true, but none of the teams on your list are more than 4M over the tax line. If a minimum contract would take a hard capped team over the apron, then they would not be able to use it. The Clips are getting close to the apron, but Dallas and GS aren't even over the luxury tax line.

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    I do wonder how big of an upgrade Wilson Chandler would be over Beli. I know I/we have talked about him a lot, but it's been interesting to follow Chandler this season. He has had stretches where he's looked very good, but overall, he's been pretty inefficient. I still like his versatility, but he's only had one above-average season (and that was at PF).

    Ultimately, I like him over Beli, but I don't like him over Beli and an asset. I do think the team should make a move for a combo-forward (and not AK for the love of god). But I don't see anyone who'd be available. The Nicholson/Ayres swap would be cool as well, though.

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Gerald Green as a backup SF but doubt that would work

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Gerald Green as a backup SF but doubt that would work
    Aren't him and Danny like 2nd cousins or something?

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    Aren't him and Danny like 2nd cousins or something?
    Yep. I wanted the Spurs to trade Bonner for him back in 2013 when the Pacers were offering a pick as part of the deal.

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    Yep. I wanted the Spurs to trade Bonner for him back in 2013 when the Pacers were offering a pick as part of the deal.
    What do you think the cost would be now?

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    What do you think the cost would be now?
    Some small asset. The Spurs could probably get him for Beli and a second. The issue is that the team doesn't have the contracts to trade for him, anymore. Had they kept Daye, they could have moved him and Ayres for a player like Green. But now, there's no one disposible on the roster who could make the numbers work.

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    Nope. You're correct in that assumption. Min contracts can't be offered if they would make the team exceed the hard cap. However, just because a team is hard capped doesn't mean that they are too close to the cap to offer a min salary. Any team that uses the non-taxpayer MLE or receives a player in a S&T is technically hard-capped.
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    Some small asset. The Spurs could probably get him for Beli and a second. The issue is that the team doesn't have the contracts to trade for him, anymore. Had they kept Daye, they could have moved him and Ayres for a player like Green. But now, there's no one disposible on the roster who could make the numbers work.
    The Suns are under the cap, the Beli for Green deal would work financially.

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    never mind .misread.
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    The Suns are under the cap, the Beli for Green deal would work financially.
    The cap part doesn't matter. I was saying that the Spurs don't have the disposible contracts to trade for Green. I don't think they would trade Beli for Gerald, and I don't believe they should. But Ayres and Daye would have worked nicely.

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    I do wonder how big of an upgrade Wilson Chandler would be over Beli. I know I/we have talked about him a lot, but it's been interesting to follow Chandler this season. He has had stretches where he's looked very good, but overall, he's been pretty inefficient. I still like his versatility, but he's only had one above-average season (and that was at PF).

    Ultimately, I like him over Beli, but I don't like him over Beli and an asset. I do think the team should make a move for a combo-forward (and not AK for the love of god). But I don't see anyone who'd be available. The Nicholson/Ayres swap would be cool as well, though.
    uh, massive. No comparison really. Also Beli has done his job for this year, and can return to being the irrelevant pos he has always been when games matter.

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    The cap part doesn't matter. I was saying that the Spurs don't have the disposible contracts to trade for Green. I don't think they would trade Beli for Gerald, and I don't believe they should. But Ayres and Daye would have worked nicely.
    Yeah I realized that's what you meant after i posted. Wonder if a Ayers + second would be enough for Plumlee. Give us another big under contract for next season. I would say Baynes but it would be unlikely he would give his consent.

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    Yeah I realized that's what you meant after i posted. Wonder if a Ayers + second would be enough for Plumlee. Give us another big under contract for next season. I would say Baynes but it would be unlikely he would give his consent.
    Gerald would fix that hole at the 3 off the bench and he's athletic enough to stay in front of 2 guards and PGs on switches.

    could we sell the rights to hangs and ayers or ayers and a 2nd?

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    Gerald would fix that hole at the 3 off the bench and he's athletic enough to stay in front of 2 guards and PGs on switches.

    could we sell the rights to hangs and ayers or ayers and a 2nd?
    He is actually a pretty good shooter (more so last season). If the Ayers+2nd trade could work, I don't think that would be enough. After Bledsoe and Goodwin on the wing, they'd really only have [Marcus] Morris there. [Zoran] Dragic, Goodwin, Warren, Bullock, are all unproven players. So unless its Beli +2nd rounder for Green i don't think it makes much sense for the Suns.

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    The Nicholson/Ayres swap would be cool as well, though.

    Orlando Magic management remains reluctant to unload forward Andrew Nicholson for a marginal return, still wondering how a new coach next season would better utilize him offensively, sources tell Yahoo Sports. Jacque Vaughn and his interim successor, James Borrego, have been unable and unwilling to incorporate his inside-outside scoring abilities into their simplistic offensive systems.


    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...195235888.html

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    the spurs could use new blood. not that i think they can't win it all without some but it would help. doesn't have to be major. i still want wilson chandler.

    on a more extreme note... i think parker can still play better than he has this season, but i'd rather have dragic than parker.

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    i'd also be happy with gerald green.

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