Green "never getting close to bowens' elite defense "Green also shat the bed when we fed him the ball in game 6 and 7. Unplayable at that point. Hurt us ing bad.
Bowen made up the offense with his elite defense. Green is never getting close to that.green has actually shut down stars like Stephen curry and dwade. Bowen on the other hand just held them to their averages
Green can't even dribble without turning it over.Green "never getting close to bowens' elite defense "
He likes to pass to the opposition in crunch time.
8 time nba all defensive team.
truth nukes from short busserGreen can't even dribble without turning it over.
He likes to pass to the opposition in crunch time.
8 time nba all defensive team.
props tbqh
Dabom is a devout follower of the CoK. He has to believe Green is poor on defense so that Leonard looks better. It's just like CoM and CoP folks keep constantly argue that the other player sucks or is washed up.Green "never getting close to bowens' elite defense "
Bowen > Green easy.
Two of those are last names but you use kawhi's first name to try to make a suble joke. Fail
Those who are trashing Bowen need to go over to basketballreference.com and refresh their memory regarding his 43% career playoff 3 pt and that fact that he shot well every year in the playoffs.
is Kawhi better than Bowen? sure he is. overall better ball player and better asset.
But better defender? no I'd say no. Kawhi has yet to lock down the opponent's superstars EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. to be fair, I don't think Kawhi will get there. He cannot be a defensive specialist like Bowen because he needs to spend so much energy on the offensive end. He will never be like Bowen type defender. We probably never will have another Bowen tbh.
This is were we differ. Kawhi is guarding russ, durant, lebron, and a ton of other great players with great success. He also brings in defensive rebounds which is part of defense. Kawhi's defensive impact is already greater than bowen.
TBH bowen didn't always shut down players but that happens. Showed up for the majority of the games.
Manu is his last name?Two of those are last names but you use kawhi's first name to try to make a suble joke. Fail
For some reason I thought you were talking about something else.
they usually shoot close to their percentages and #s tbh. disagree
wholeheartedly disagree. We'll check back when Kawhi gets at least 5 all nba defensive teams tbhHe also brings in defensive rebounds which is part of defense. Kawhi's defensive impact is already greater than bowen.
Nah. Those terms aren't thrown around as much nowadays, but they were firmly established a long time ago. I imagine they would have called it the CoT, but that would have been confusing with Tim on the team.
Lol, no they don't. Both Green and Leonard hold their oppoents to terrible PPPs on average. Sure, there are some games where they get caught reaching too much (Kawhi WCF Game Six, Green Finals Game Four), but their overall PPP allowed is insane, especially in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Bowen's was pretty mediocre.
Facts disagree:
2013 Playoffs:
Lebron 49% 25pts/g
Wade 45% 16pts/g
2013 Finals
Lebron 45% 26pts/g
Wade 47% 20pts/g
Lol, did the 2014 Finals not happen in your book?
Bowen played Elite D for over 10 years. So 1 finals should count as 10 years? Lol
I love how you called his D elite while at the same time as admitting that Green and Leonard do the same job now, except that you cherry-picked a bad series to show that. It's even more hilarious that pretty much every other series that they've had has been far and away superior to any of Bowen's.
Boozer and DRating is like Horry and ring countsI love how Carlos Boozer single-handedly killed defensive rating, tbh
Yeah I see that, sad...smh playerfans
cherrypicking. says the guy that is comparing the defensive effects of 2 players vs. 1 player
my advice: pick 1 player and argue his vs. Bowen. If you pick Green you already lost so might as well pick Kawhi. Kawhi has been playing ELITE defense for 1 playoffs, 2014. And that's being generous because Kawhi was nowhere to be seen vs. Dallas and Portland.
1 playoffs vs. 10 all nba defenses and playoffs. LOL
You should learn what 'cherry-picking' is.
LOL
Green and Leonard have multiple series in which they held their charges to low averages. Green has Paul in 2012 (and OKC in those WCF, but people ignore that because he didn't shoot well, which made Pop panic and bench him), Curry in 2013, Ellis (for the times Pop woke up and actually put Danny on him), Durant/Westbrook and Wade (not to mention every other Heat or Thunder player Pop put him on in those series) in 2014. Leonard had Thompson in 2013 and Batum/Matthews and James in 2014. These were not series where the players got their averages and just had to work harder.
They were incredibly inefficient and turned the ball over a lot. It's simply silly to pretend that Bowen did anything like that. The best any honest fan can do is to argue that the league was so different back then that Bowen's mediocre numbers were the best anyone could have done. And we'll never know. But I will say that player to player, the Spurs have had tougher scorers to check recently than they did back then.
You want to give Bowen bonus points for being the Spurs' only perimeter defender during those times. And outside of Manu for stretches, that may be true. However, Green and Leonard can't help the fact that they play together. They're so far ahead of Bowen in their individual results that it's silly to pretend otherwise.
Swap Bowen for Green, and the Spurs don't even beat Dallas last year. Meanwhile, the Spurs still beat the Suns and Lakers those years. Dallas was a different beast, and Bowen was clearly not qualified for that matchup. Neither Kawhi nor especially Green would have done any better there.
^ glad you mention prime Manu. Danny Green's D is comparable to that of prime Manu and prime Manu can't hold Bowen's jockstrap defensively. Therefore, Bowen >>>> Green Defensively and it's not even close.
as I said above Kawhi has been playing ELITE D for about 1 year. He showed flashes his first couple of years, but consistency was lacking. If he can play lockdown D like he played his last 2 series in 2014 for the next say 5 years, then and onlly then we can have a serious conversation of Bowen vs. Kawhi on D.
Probably your worst logic ever. Not to mention that it's completely unsubstantiated.
You keep ignoring that they aren't playing to his level -- they have FAR SURPASSED it for three years in a row. Your logic is like saying that there's no way for Mills to be a better player than Avery Johnson because he hasn't had a whole career yet.as I said above Kawhi has been playing ELITE D for about 1 year. He showed flashes his first couple of years, but consistency was lacking. If he can play lockdown D like he played his last 2 series in 2014 for the next say 5 years, then and onlly then we can have a serious conversation of Bowen vs. Kawhi on D.
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