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Don't move the goalposts. You made a stupid statement and I pointed it out. lol
You don't think they pay taxes?
And undo ented people aren't the reason I pay taxes. I'd be paying them regardless.
Don't move the goalposts. You made a stupid statement and I pointed it out. lol
Not really. My taxes aren't affected by them anymore than they are by you. You're wrongfully assuming that the don't pay taxes. In reality, a large majority of them work with false do entation and get taxes taken out of their paychecks just like you or me. I know it's fun to think they all get paid under the table but that's not how it actually works.
That doesn't even include property or sales/excise taxes. From my understanding being undo ented doesn't allow you to dodge those.
Couple questions if you don't mind since you're in here FKLA
Are you a Mestizo? If you are do you know what percent native American you are and what % European?
Can you trace any of your family's roots to Spain or Europe?
Are you a northern or southern Mexican?
And which country do you think is more racist Mexico or the USA?
It does feel like I woke up in a bizarro version of the US, where the elites keep pushing illegals openly despite the majority of Americans being against it. Crazy how Obama is trying to re-write the laws, despite that being illegal itself, and people try to make excuses for lawlessness.
I agree with you. I'd be okay with biting the bullet and legalizing the ones here (i'm sure it's much more than 11 million or whatever bs number they are throwing out) if they would finally get serious about resolving the problem. If you aren't going to have perimeter D, at least have some interior defense. But we both know even if the amnesty goes through, they won't be serious about securing anything. Them globalists gotta eat first etc....Feels like Rome imo, absorbing cultures, pushing our way of life onto others and countless wars.
Cir venting our immigration laws is a crime. Get a legal visa or GTFO.
With how much of a drug/violence infested hole Mexico is, opening up the border would be inhumane to the American citizens who live near it.
They get back far more than they ever give. Every time they go to the ER to pop out one of their little brown s it costs the taxpayer more than a years wages.
Yes it is, actually.
Regardless, economically they're a net deficit; ie, they're taking more money from the government and from American citizens than they're putting into the system.
"In 2013, The Heritage Foundation released a study concluding that at the current time, the average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household. During the interim phase immediately after amnesty, tax payments would increase more than government benefits, and the average fiscal deficit for former unlawful immigrant households would fall to $11,455. At the end of the interim period, unlawful immigrants would become eligible for means-tested welfare and medical subsidies under Obamacare. Average benefits would rise to $43,900 per household; tax payments would remain around $16,000; the average fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) would be about $28,000 per household. Amnesty would also raise retirement costs by making unlawful immigrants eligible for Social Security and Medicare, resulting in a net fiscal deficit of around $22,700 per retired amnesty recipient per year."
You can find similar numbers in multiple studies after a quick google search, tbh. I get it, you would probably rather bury your head in the sand, but don't make ridiculous statements like you're not getting affected by them.
It's really not that complicated, the other 90% of americans prioritize other things on their vote (economy being almost always #1, partisanship, civil rights, etc). Neither the liberals or conservatives can win an election with the base alone anymore. Now they need to capture these small voting blocks.
Technically speaking, it's not. The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor, but most people don't know that.
ing unreal that they get that kind of government money or that anyone does for that matter. I work my ass off and penny pench to save mkney snd these assholes get things given to them.
Well our government is criminal, it needs to be changed to a felony with 5 years forced labor.
It really does boil down to this. Elites want the cheap labor, liberals can't be made to care about the issue, and so you have this problem that isn't getting tackled. Barry's move is simply long-term political pandering.
There are middle-ground solutions, like perhaps providing temporary worker visas without possibility of citizenship for those jobs that Americans simply don't want to do. But again, it's all moot until you start closing off the border.
Most of them apply for a legal VISA. What if you were one of the many that didn't get a legal VISA, what would you do?
Nobody is saying to open the border. You still monitor it, although as long as Mexico continues to be a corrupt hole people will continue to flee. But I'm actually talking about the ones that have already made a life here, pay taxes and have kids. Breaking them up is inhumane especially since for most of them the father is the lone breadwinner. Do an extensive background check on them and deport the ones that aren't worth a , put the others on a probationary period of residency...if they continue to contribute to society no reason why they shouldn't eventually be given permanent residence.
Not just that. I spent a load of time and money to do things right. These guys want to jump the line and it's insulting.
Very ing true. The people getting screwed the hardest are the people trying to get into America the right and legal way. You're not supposed to bring that up, tbh. It's something the dems don't want to talk about.
No, it's not. I personally know of a couple hundred undo ented people that don't get paid under the table.Yes it is, actually.
"In 2013, The Heritage Foundation released a study concluding that at the current time, the average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household. During the interim phase immediately after amnesty, tax payments would increase more than government benefits, and the average fiscal deficit for former unlawful immigrant households would fall to $11,455. At the end of the interim period, unlawful immigrants would become eligible for means-tested welfare and medical subsidies under Obamacare. Average benefits would rise to $43,900 per household; tax payments would remain around $16,000; the average fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) would be about $28,000 per household. Amnesty would also raise retirement costs by making unlawful immigrants eligible for Social Security and Medicare, resulting in a net fiscal deficit of around $22,700 per retired amnesty recipient per year."
You can find similar numbers in multiple studies after a quick google search, tbh. I get it, you would probably rather bury your head in the sand, but don't make ridiculous statements like you're not getting affected by them.
Here's an article I came across:
A study by the Ins ute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that undo ented immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010, a figure that includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes, $1.2 billion in property taxes, and more than $8 billion in sales and excise taxes. The study found that undo ented immigrants are “likely paying about 6.4 percent on average of their income in state and local taxes,” which is a tax rate close to that of “taxpayers in similar income situations and, in many states, can be higher than the effective tax rates paid by upper income taxpayers.”
Regardless, economically they're a net deficit; ie, they're taking more money from the government and from American citizens than they're putting into the system.
Hard to tell. U.S. citizens aren't exactly net positives. I'm pretty sure I've read the article you posted, and IIRC the average do ented household has a much bigger net deficit.
Deport undo ented people and their contributions to Social Security and Medicaid go away, those two programs might fall apart. You'd be losing billions in property and sales taxes as well.
Not sure how you can compare yourself to people who immigrate as a last resort. If I had to guess, I'd say you had a college degree prior to coming here. Probably had some working experience in your field in Argentina. Immigrating to the US was a luxury for you not a necessity. That's a little different than unskilled people who are coming here to work manual labor jobs so they can provide for their relatives back in Mexico, no ?
"Deport undo ented people and their contributions to Social Security and Medicaid go away, those two programs might fall apart. You'd be losing billions in property and sales taxes as well."
but we'd save even more in healthcare, prison, and crime costs so literally nothing of value would be lost.
then man up and fix your own country you little mooch
They may pay similar taxes is certain situations, but they're a larger drain on the economy, so like I said earlier; they're a net deficit.
Understand now?
False. The average American household has a considerably bigger net deficit than an illegal household. You can say they're a net deficit but you can't say they are a bigger drain than the average American, so like I said earlier; they're not affecting my life anymore than you are.
Understand now?
False. If you did a quick google search you'd find that you're wrong and just talking out of your ass now. It's quite clear you refuse to believe the truth so this conversation has reached it's end. Good day.
Why should taxpayer money be wasted on background checks on every would-be moocher that wants to hop the border when it would be a lot easier and more efficient to give our immigration laws some teeth and actually enforce them?
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