Illegal Immigrants Growing Impatient

[Clipper Nation]

then man up and fix your own country you little mooch

Exactly. Americans don't go running across the Canadian border illegally every time we have a problem, Mexico needs to take the initiative to clean up their hole.

[FkLA]

False. If you did a quick google search you'd find that you're wrong and just talking out of your ass now. It's quite clear you refuse to believe the truth so this conversation has reached it's end. Good day.

From the exact same article from which you posted that little excerpt from:

Gordon Hansen of UCSD has carried out many studies on immigration. His conclusion on illegal immigration is that:illegal immigration’s overall impact on the US economy is small. Low-skilled native workers who compete with unauthorized immigrants are the clearest losers. US employers, on the other hand, gain from lower labor costs and the ability to use their land, capital, and technology more productively. The unauthorized immigrants themselves see very substantial income gains after migrating.

but they affect my life so much

Exactly. Americans don't go running across the Canadian border illegally every time we have a problem, Mexico needs to take the initiative to clean up their hole.

Easy to say when you haven't really been faced with those type of issues. I'm sure if you ever did, you'd have no problem running to Canada.
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[m>s]

Easy to say when you haven't really been faced with those type of issues. I'm sure if you ever did, you'd have no problem running to Canada.
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my ancestors did face adversity. they responded by giving the british empire the middle finger and carving the greatest country that ever existed out of nothing. this is my birthright by way of my ancestors. illegals have absolutely no rights here and thats where you are mistaken.

[FkLA]

my ancestors did face adversity. they responded by giving the british empire the middle finger and carving the greatest country that ever existed out of nothing. this is my birthright by way of my ancestors. illegals have absolutely no rights here and thats where you are mistaken.

Starting a revolution now is a little different than 250 years ago.

I'm sure you'd go grab your little bb gun and be on the front line against tanks and fighter jets if the government was oppressing you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not sure how you can compare yourself to people who immigrate as a last resort. If I had to guess, I'd say you had a college degree prior to coming here. Probably had some working experience in your field in Argentina. Immigrating to the US was a luxury for you not a necessity. That's a little different than unskilled people who are coming here to work manual labor jobs so they can provide for their relatives back in Mexico, no ?

mexicans are lazy, I'd take a Guatamalen any day of the week.

[ElNono]

Not sure how you can compare yourself to people who immigrate as a last resort. If I had to guess, I'd say you had a college degree prior to coming here. Probably had some working experience in your field in Argentina. Immigrating to the US was a luxury for you not a necessity. That's a little different than unskilled people who are coming here to work manual labor jobs so they can provide for their relatives back in Mexico, no ?

Let me preface that I'm more than conscious this is a delicate topic, and that the average, non-latino American really lacks the understanding of how strongly non-cuban latinos feel about this. Thus the position I described earlier about political suicide and such.

The reality is that the US has a 'humanitarian crisis' type of immigration visas, but that's not what's going on here. If some of these people are desperate, then they should apply for asylum in the US or any other country and simply respect and go through the laws and process. The average latino though, it's very "flexible", shall we say, about that. It's a different idiosyncrasy, but that doesn't make it right. As far as the jobs that Americans really don't want to do and are more of a seasonal type of job, well, let's find a middle ground: temporary worker visas, they can do the job, and take off when they're done, with a good pile of money wherever they go back to.

Let me tell you a story: back in WWII, my grandfather was headed on a ship to New York, after his brother was captured and killed in the War. New York closed down the port and simply said "we're full". Ship refueled, and headed to the 2nd largest American port at the time, Buenos Aires. And that's how my family ended up there. This is WWII we're talking about, and yet the US finally figured that they couldn't take anymore. At some point we're going to have to figure out that we're only going to take in people that can show they're really desperate and that they truly need asylum, going through the proper channels.

[Nero5]

my ancestors did face adversity. they responded by giving the british empire the middle finger and carving the greatest country that ever existed out of nothing. this is my birthright by way of my ancestors. illegals have absolutely no rights here and thats where you are mistaken.

My what a sad little world you must live in. You have 'birthrights'? So you don't have to work, or strive, you can freeload on the work of your ancestors. Not surprised really.

[FkLA]

Let me preface that I'm more than conscious this is a delicate topic, and that the average, non-latino American really lacks the understanding of how strongly non-cuban latinos feel about this. Thus the position I described earlier about political suicide and such.

The reality is that the US has a 'humanitarian crisis' type of immigration visas, but that's not what's going on here. If some of these people are desperate, then they should apply for asylum in the US or any other country and simply respect and go through the laws and process. The average latino though, it's very "flexible", shall we say, about that. It's a different idiosyncrasy, but that doesn't make it right. As far as the jobs that Americans really don't want to do and are more of a seasonal type of job, well, let's find a middle ground: temporary worker visas, they can do the job, and take off when they're done, with a good pile of money wherever they go back to.

Let me tell you a story: back in WWII, my grandfather was headed on a ship to New York, after his brother was captured and killed in the War. New York closed down the port and simply said "we're full". Ship refueled, and headed to the 2nd largest American port at the time, Buenos Aires. And that's how my family ended up there. This is WWII we're talking about, and yet the US finally figured that they couldn't take anymore. At some point we're going to have to figure out that we're only going to take in people that can show they're really desperate and that they truly need asylum, going through the proper channels.

Don't think there's any argument for it being asylum, especially since the two governments have a pretty good relationship.

Just saying, assuming asylum/VISAs are denied can you really blame them when the alternative is living in extreme poverty? Is crossing illegally in search of a normal life really enough of a 'crime' for yall to condone deporting them with no regard for the fact that families will be torn apart? I'm talking on a humanity scale, obviously legally I understand that being undo ented is a crime.

Temporary work permits are good in theory. Just can't imagine how they would be issued at such high volume. The supply would never meet the demand imo. Also since cost of illegals is an issue the anti-immigration people like to bring up, I'd imagine it'd be pretty expensive to give them benefits in the workplace--similar to what citizens/permanent residents have.

[m>s]

My what a sad little world you must live in. You have 'birthrights'? So you don't have to work, or strive, you can freeload on the work of your ancestors. Not surprised really.

My birthright is to be able to do all of those things in America, the country that my ancestors built and that I inherited. Mexicans and everyone else have no such right. And if you want to be technical it's immoral to take away the brightest from other countries and take their manpower keeping them perpetually down. Mexicans should have some pride and build up mexico.

[m>s]

Starting a revolution now is a little different than 250 years ago.

I'm sure you'd go grab your little bb gun and be on the front line against tanks and fighter jets if the government was oppressing you.

What is Vietnam

what is iraq

what is afghanistan

what is syria

what is Iran

What is ukraine

a government can't just go around carpet bombing it's own citizenry. There goes it's manpower, infrastructure, and ability to make money. And foreign governments will outright step in or at least arm the resistance. Novorussia has all but defeated the ukrAnian army by capturing their own equipment and using it against them. We have former aircraft pilots in the militia movement who could fly a jet if people were to take over an air force base. ISIS now has jets that they captured from the Iraqi military. It's very doable.

[ElNono]

Just saying, assuming asylum/VISAs are denied can you really blame them when the alternative is living in extreme poverty? Is crossing illegally in search of a normal life really enough of a 'crime' for yall to condone deporting them with no regard for the fact that families will be torn apart? I'm talking on a humanity scale, obviously legally I understand that being undo ented is a crime.

There's simply two competing interests at play. If they couldn't cross over to the US, then they would probably head somewhere else. It's big world, the US isn't the only country out there. Plus let's be honest here, it's not just "poor" people crossing, it costs a good chunk of money to pay a coyote from what I hear, and the reality is that the majority of illegals actually enter with a tourist visa, which means we're talking middle-class and up.

The whole family situation is complicated, but not everyone is in that situation, and until the US secures the border and stops families from actually taking root here, the rest is a waste of time.

[ElNono]

a government can't just go around carpet bombing it's own citizenry. There goes it's manpower, infrastructure, and ability to make money. And foreign governments will outright step in or at least arm the resistance. Novorussia has all but defeated the ukrAnian army by capturing their own equipment and using it against them. We have former aircraft pilots in the militia movement who could fly a jet if people were to take over an air force base. ISIS now has jets that they captured from the Iraqi military. It's very doable.

No it isn't.

[m>s]

2015 and wars are still won with boots on the ground, haven't you learned anything? The militia movement is 250,000 strong. American gun owners number over 100 million. The government literally couldn't contain an uprising, there is absolutely no way how they would be able to do so. They couldn't police iraq, how would they do it here? On their own turf? You're delusuonal but go ahead and be specific and explain how they'd do it, be detailed and I'll pick it apart.

[ElNono]

There's no uprising coming.

[m>s]

That's not what the argument was.

[ElNono]

A revolution would require an uprising. There's none coming. Sorry, bruh.

[FkLA]

There's simply two competing interests at play. If they couldn't cross over to the US, then they would probably head somewhere else. It's big world, the US isn't the only country out there. Plus let's be honest here, it's not just "poor" people crossing, it costs a good chunk of money to pay a coyote from what I hear, and the reality is that the majority of illegals actually enter with a tourist visa, which means we're talking middle-class and up.

The whole family situation is complicated, but not everyone is in that situation, and until the US secures the border and stops families from actually taking root here, the rest is a waste of time.

Where? Every country south of the US is .

The cost of a coyote doesn't say anything about the how well off people crossing over are. Family/friends that are already here pitch in to cover the cost from what I've seen. Maybe I'm basing too much on people from my little town but the ones that I've seen cross over illegally aren't middle class. Money sent from the US is by far that town's biggest source of income. , I still have cousins/uncles that support their families back in Mexico that way. Just can't bring myself to call someone that does that a criminal. Definitely can't bring myself to say they deserve to have their families torn apart. Not their faults some of us were born into better situations tbh.

[ElNono]

If you're picky, then you're not that desperate...

And yeah, I know what you're saying, but then you're not looking at: what does the US gets for that? Heck, sending money away sucks, it doesn't even contribute to the US economy by spending the money they earned here.
Calling them names doesn't solve anything, but we can't keep going with the free for all we have now, and I understand that we need to find a solution that causes the less damage possible, family-wise.

But if you gonna catch em and send them back, you gotta have a border that keeps em out. We don't have that right now.

[ElNono]

I would also add that securing the border in the times we live in should be a priority besides of the immigration situation. It's a natsec issue.

[m>s]

A revolution would require an uprising. There's none coming. Sorry, bruh.

you said that it couldn't be done, that's another thing entirely. i don't think it's coming barring economic collapse, but stranger things have happened. sadly people are complacent with football and food on the table. food stamps are literally the only thing holding it together still

[ElNono]

you said that it couldn't be done, that's another thing entirely. i don't think it's coming barring economic collapse, but stranger things have happened. sadly people are complacent with football and food on the table. food stamps are literally the only thing holding it together still

That's actually the primary reason it's not doable. The first sign of another Waco and your average american is grabbing the popcorn and glued to the TV...

[m>s]

Where? Every country south of the US is .

The cost of a coyote doesn't say anything about the how well off people crossing over are. Family/friends that are already here pitch in to cover the cost from what I've seen. Maybe I'm basing too much on people from my little town but the ones that I've seen cross over illegally aren't middle class. Money sent from the US is by far that town's biggest source of income. , I still have cousins/uncles that support their families back in Mexico that way. Just can't bring myself to call someone that does that a criminal. Definitely can't bring myself to say they deserve to have their families torn apart. Not their faults some of us were born into better situations tbh.

If your neighbors Heat or ac goes out is it cool if they stay with you?

[Nero5]

My birthright is to be able to do all of those things in America, the country that my ancestors built and that I inherited. Mexicans and everyone else have no such right. And if you want to be technical it's immoral to take away the brightest from other countries and take their manpower keeping them perpetually down. Mexicans should have some pride and build up mexico.

It's curious that you claim this 'birthright' without evidence and yet you are so blatantly willing to rip it away from others based on colour, your so simple vision of race and religion regardless of their family or personal history.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's curious that you claim this 'birthright' without evidence and yet you are so blatantly willing to rip it away from others based on colour, your so simple vision of race and religion regardless of their family or personal history.

He's got the stupidest schtick, but you're still wrong on his take.

[Nero5]

OK, wrong how?
Why is the past efforts of others worthy of you having more rights than someone else. What are the limits of these supposed rights ... does a person who has three generations of US born family have the same rights as someone with 10 generations? Happy to hear the explanation.