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    Kawhi himself compared his game to that of Gerald Wallace, smh.

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    It isn't surprising...Kawhi isn't a three point shooter.

    But he was shooting really good against the Warriors 74% FG FG 2P but Pop instead of giving him minutes to get rhythm, to gain confidence, just benched him and played only 18 minutes...

    Tonight 60% FG and get only 6 touches...

    It's obvious that his offensive game isn't a priority when even Belinelli, Baynes, Diaw had more attempts and minutes than him in the last two games.

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    I like how Kawhi lovers want to get all detailed about the reasoning behind his struggles but the only reason we did poorly in December was because Kawhi was out. They ignored the fact that the rest of the team was playing like . Now we are still struggling with Kawhi back and they start pointing fingers every which way but Kawhi piss poor play.


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    Kawhi is supposed to be a dynamic player. He should be able to adapt to any offense. People trying to blame this on other players are just butthurt.
    This great players manage to perform at a high level regardless of the system they are in. Now with everybody agreeing that Parker is washed up look for his fanboys to start blaming other players for Kawhi not performing at a high level. Bottom line he's not a great player and never will be that's hard for some of his fan boys to accept.

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    if Duncan and Baynes would just move out the way
    So you really think space isn't relevant?

    You don't think the offense looked better with Duncan and Boris instead of Duncan-Splitter last season?

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    Lower 3pt% than Tim Duncan during this stretch

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    well maybe KL is not 100%...remember the hurt hand

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    Lower 3pt% than Tim Duncan during this stretch
    Did Duncan have a bruise on his hand 2 months ago tho????

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    So you really think space isn't relevant?

    You don't think the offense looked better with Duncan and Boris instead of Duncan-Splitter last season?
    No, I'm saying that spacing isn't the only issue and that more spacing isn't going to magically turn Kawhi into an 20-25ppg/50% scorer. He has limitations (mediocre vert, mediocre dribbler, inconsistent shooter) that will hold him back from the unrealistic "focus of the offense" his fanboys think is destined for him. I always called his peak at about 18-20ppg as a second offensive option. His value is in other areas: defense, rebounding, steals, shotblocking, and just causing general defensive havoc.

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    well maybe KL is not 100%...remember the hurt hand
    And maybe Parker isn't 100%.... remember, the hurt hamstring

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    Also 2-6 vs playoff team since the difference maker return... OOPS, scratch that! Utah isn't a playoff team. Still 2-5!

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    No, I'm saying that spacing isn't the only issue and that more spacing isn't going to magically turn Kawhi into an 20-25ppg/50% scorer. He has limitations (mediocre vert, mediocre dribbler, inconsistent shooter) that will hold him back from the unrealistic "focus of the offense" his fanboys think is destined for him. I always called his peak at about 18-20ppg as a second offensive option. His value is in other areas: defense, rebounding, steals, shotblocking, and just causing general defensive havoc.
    So you say this team need a 25 ppg scorer? Even Tim in his prime wasn't that guy... only one season he scored 25 ppg.

    You think Kawhi can be a 18/20-8 guy, well I agree with you. And it'll be great, the Spurs would be a compe ive team for a long time with Kawhi playing at that level.

    What we are discussing in this thread? His 3's? He isn't a 3 point shooter, I woudn't worried about that.
    But I'm more concerned about how develop his game, because his offense doesn't fit on this team.

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    So you say this team need a 25 ppg scorer? Even Tim in his prime wasn't that guy... only one season he scored 25 ppg.
    Not necessarily, but we will need another 20ish ppg player sometime in the future that can exist as the focus of the offense and one that Kawhi can play off of.

    You think Kawhi can be a 18/20-8 guy, well I agree with you. And it'll be great, the Spurs would be a compe ive team for a long time with Kawhi playing at that level.
    Yes, but most of those points will be of the "blue collar" variety. Put backs from offensive boards, from steals that lead to a breakaway dunk, hitting open 3s. I don't think Kawhi has the skillset to ever be a player that you can "force feed" or center your offense on. His dribbling is too shaky and I think his huge hands will prevent him from being a deadly jumpshooter. We can always post him, but small forwards are typically players you don't want to force feed in the post for any extended period of time. They'll get too worn down. Even Lebron, at 6'8" 260 didn't post all that much. Besides, posting wings in iso-situations is an obsolete way to run an offense now.

    What we are discussing in this thread? His 3's? He isn't a 3 point shooter, I woudn't worried about that.
    But I'm more concerned about how develop his game, because his offense doesn't fit on this team.
    His offense won't fit any team right now. He's an average offense player, at best. Doesn't mean he can't fill up the scoring sheet with the kind of blue collar scoring I mentioned earlier.

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    Also 2-6 vs playoff team since the difference maker return... OOPS, scratch that! Utah isn't a playoff team. Still 2-5!
    There's no "I" in "Team".

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    Honestly, I can't even see Kawhi averaging 18 ppg on a playoff team, let alone 25 (that's just ridiculous imo).

    I love Kawhi, any Spurs fan should, he's a major part of the future of the franchise and a cause for optimism.

    But he is not nor has he ever been cut out for being an offensive centerpiece for a team, and him trying to force the action is really not his strong suit. Demeaning as this may sound, he's a "glue guy", as others have pointed out. He can bring scoring, but he's there for defense, timely boards, hustle. Anyone predicting him to average 25 points is delusional.

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    Yes, but most of those points will be of the "blue collar" variety. Put backs from offensive boards, from steals that lead to a breakaway dunk, hitting open 3s. I don't think Kawhi has the skillset to ever be a player that you can "force feed" or center your offense on. His dribbling is too shaky and I think his huge hands will prevent him from being a deadly jumpshooter. We can always post him, but small forwards are typically players you don't want to force feed in the post for any extended period of time. They'll get too worn down. Even Lebron, at 6'8" 260 didn't post all that much. Besides, posting wings in iso-situations is an obsolete way to run an offense now.
    His mid j's just look bad since his return, before that those shots were falling...
    Agreed, teams won't build their offense just on his post up game but it's still a good option.

    However, he's right now that "kind of blue collar scorer", so we settle for that and don't try to develop a 23 year old player who is getting better, learning and improving season to season?

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    His mid j's just look bad since his return, before that those shots were falling...
    Agreed, teams won't build their offense just on his post up game but it's still a good option.

    However, he's right now that "kind of blue collar scorer", so we settle for that and don't try to develop a 23 year old player who is getting better, learning and improving season to season?
    Develop him into what? Like I said, he has certain limitations that will likely prevent him from being a scorer in the traditional sense. His low vert, giant hands that will affect his shooting (I'm very impressed that Kawhi can even knock down a three with those mitts, but big hands are a hindrance to shooters), mediocre ball handling. I can really only see Kawhi excelling in the post, and the last thing we want is to give a SF 10-15 touches in the post (or any player. I'm not a fan of Duncan post-ups these days, either). It'll stagnate the offense in a era where constant ball movement is mandatory.

    For Kawhi to turn into this scorer that people are expecting, he basically needs to become a poor man's Kevin Durant (a player with a similar long armed build and low vertical). I can't see that happening. Kawhi is 3 inches shooter and obviously lacks, and will always lack, Durant's shooting touch.

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    Who was the 2014 NBA Final MVP?

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    Dude can't drive, shoot, pass, dribble, stay healthy...

    Sad stuff. Really.

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    Dude can't drive, shoot, pass, dribble, stay healthy...

    Sad stuff. Really.
    No effort today man. Maybe tomorrow.

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    No effort today man. Maybe tomorrow.
    They don't play tommorow, but I doubt he would've given effort anyways. We'll see vs Portland

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    Develop him into what? Like I said, he has certain limitations that will likely prevent him from being a scorer in the traditional sense. His low vert, giant hands that will affect his shooting (I'm very impressed that Kawhi can even knock down a three with those mitts, but big hands are a hindrance to shooters), mediocre ball handling. I can really only see Kawhi excelling in the post, and the last thing we want is to give a SF 10-15 touches in the post (or any player. I'm not a fan of Duncan post-ups these days, either). It'll stagnate the offense in a era where constant ball movement is mandatory.
    Kawhi has improved a lot this season passing the ball out of the double-team to find the open man, even we watched this season, h...y assists with another pass, too.
    If he was on a hot shooting streak where his mid j looked smooth, it can be worked to get consistency. He will never be a deadly shooter, but can have a decent shot.

    (I'm very impressed that Kawhi can even knock down a three with those mitts)
    But you make a thread complaining about he can't hit his 3's...

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    Kawhi has improved a lot this season passing the ball out of the double-team to find the open man, even we watched this season, h...y assists with another pass, too.
    If he was on a hot shooting streak where his mid j looked smooth, it can be worked to get consistency. He will never be a deadly shooter, but can have a decent shot.


    But you make a thread complaining about he can't hit his 3's...
    I made this thread to illustrate his offensive struggles go beyond just bigs taking away his spacing (which is a suspect notion at best and just more Apalisoc deflecting).

    That said, Kawhi's offense never concerns me. He'll usually get double figures on a good percentage one way or another. Like I said, Kawhi's value is that he's one of the best ALL AROUND wings in the league, elite in pretty much every defensive area along with being a decent scorer.

    The team's offensive struggles are primarily a result of Parker losing about 50% of his speed overnight. His penetration is crucial to the overall flow of the offense. As is Ginobili's (not surprised the offense always looks better when Manu is on the floor). When those two are off or hampered by injuries/age any given night, the offense just dies. I think it's why Pop has been going big lately, trying to grind out wins defensively since the offense can't get going.

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    Can leonard not create and penetrate?
    not really. Haven't you been watching?

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