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I could see Sacramento with that front office + George Karl speaks fondly of Parker(and Karl doesn't care about age/current reputation, as he just added the terrible Andre Miller due to their relationship)..anybody interest you on that roster?
You cannot bring guys back who hinted they didn't want to be here. Anderson is a low rent guy, he doesn't answer anything.
I could see Sacramento with that front office + George Karl speaks fondly of Parker(and Karl doesn't care about age/current reputation, as he just added the terrible Andre Miller due to their relationship
Manu's 14M in 2013, Tim's 22M in 2011, and Tony's 15M this year. One could look at these numbers and begin to conclude that there is an inverse relationship between contract worth and performance for that year. Somehow the team has survived all of them (although this year is still in doubt). When Tim's decline was obvious Pop moved the offensive heavy lifting to Tony. When Tony's decline is obvious, Pop is moving the offensive heavy lifting to..............????? Kawhi? Doesn't look like it does it?
That is the real tragedy here, imo. Not the amount of dollars, because the dollar amount can be eaten if management decides it is worth it. That is not a decision for the player to make. The tragedy here is that there is no one to pick up the offensive load this year when Tony just can't seem to put it together. That is, I believe, what Pop is talking about when he says that if Tony isn't the Tony of 2013, the team will go nowhere. Because NO one can score to make up what Tony used to score. But of course, if Tony WERE able to do that, he would be heroballing and destroying the team, so clearly that is not a good idea either.
Contract numbers are nothing but a shiny object distracting folks from focusing on the fact that nobody on the Spurs team is having even an average year shooting. They are ALL down. When an entire team is unable to put the ball in the basket at a clip approximating previous years, doesn't the coaching staff and FO have some responsibilities to make changes?
It makes a difference. Tony getting paid $40M/4 may not seem like a much better deal than him getting $41.25M/3, but the difference is actually pretty important. That $4 Million-plus is the difference between having a max slot to offer post Duncan and barely having cap space. It's kind of a big deal that Parker took up that extra money, Spurs-for-life or not.
Dat draft pick. I would also take Collison and Landry back to get it.I could see Sacramento with that front office + George Karl speaks fondly of Parker(and Karl doesn't care about age/current reputation, as he just added the terrible Andre Miller due to their relationship
The team will never be rebuilt through FA. It has to be done in the draft..
Two things, 1) Parker is only counting for $12.5M this season. 2) Tim and Manu's numbers are from the end of max-ish deals they signed while still in their relative prime. Tony's deal hasn't even started, and it already looks like a massive overpayment.
Completely unknowable. This off-season would have been the first time the team would have had a max slot since 2003. Plus, it's not like maxing out Parker helps rebuild through the draft any better than re-signing him for less during the summer. Unless you think that using up that much cap space on Tony is the best way to tank. You might have a point there
God, what an awful comparison. TD and Manu at their "low points" are still better value than the show we're seeing from Tony this year:
2011 Duncan:
2013 Manu:
2015 Parker
It may BE a massive overpayment. It may not. Yet to be seen. My point was that big time players are paid for far more than the current playing performance. Clearly, when Tim went down in his abilities and Parker picked up the slack, he wasn't being paid anywhere near what this upcoming contract is going to be worth. He wasn't being paid what the primary scorer on most teams was being paid back then. When Tim gave up his huge paydays, his decline was already obvious and he was no longer the dominant scorer for the team. Manu was being paid more than Parker when Parker was the teams' leading scorer and assist leader. But both Tim and Manu came back as significant contributors in major roles on the team, when the pressure for carrying the heaviest load was no longer on their shoulders.
The point is, there is no one to take that role from Tony's shoulders. So that big payday in that upcoming contract may occur during a resurgence for Parker not unlike what Tim and Manu have been able to achieve. But it won't happen without someone else picking up some scoring slack, and that someone does not seem to exist on our team right now. Clearly, the FO and a lot of people on this forum have assumed that that person would be Kawhi. It may yet happen. But we are all making assumptions about Parker's worth based on current performance and future pay, and extrapolating from that to disaster.
The disaster will be if no one on the damn team can put the ball in the basket. THAT will be a disaster. Right now, Tony can't, but neither can Manu, Tiago, Boris, Kawhi, Patty, etc. etc. etc.
An average of 14-15M per year is not a disaster. Lack of scoring is a disaster.
God, what an awful comparison. TD and Manu at their "low points" are still better value than the show we're seeing from Tony this year:
2011 Duncan:
2013 Manu:
2015 Parker
Sorry, but your focus is not on what my focus is on. That is not surprising since the ONLY thing you focus on is money and +/- figures.
My point was that in each year of the other big three's max year, they were having poor years for their careers. I didn't make a comparison between their worst year and Tony's worst year. I made the comparison between each of them having their biggest payday year with a below-career average for them for that year. It doesn't matter what the absolute numbers are, either for money or +/-.
You really do seem to have trouble seeing what someone else is saying because that blind spot you have for one player obliterates everything else in your field of potential vision.
It looks like one. That's what I said. It may end up not being one, but that's irrelevant to the discussion.
Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Even if Tim and Manu were overpaid at the ends of their contracts (Tim especially wasn't), that would not justify Parker getting a new deal worth more than his current production called for. When Ginobili got his $40M/3 extension, he was still near the top of his game. He was coming off a great 2009-2010 season where he had a bit of a renaissance. Parker got his after being largely irrelevant last season.My point was that big time players are paid for far more than the current playing performance. Clearly, when Tim went down in his abilities and Parker picked up the slack, he wasn't being paid anywhere near what this upcoming contract is going to be worth.
And it's even less likely that that person will exist now that Parker took at least $4 Million more than he was worth. This isn't like Manu being "overpaid" two seasons ago. Parker's contract causes real harm to the Spurs' cap space.The point is, there is no one to take that role from Tony's shoulders. So that big payday in that upcoming contract may occur during a resurgence for Parker not unlike what Tim and Manu have been able to achieve. But it won't happen without someone else picking up some scoring slack, and that someone does not seem to exist on our team right now.
Getting paid that much to not score well is the disaster. Stop trying to separate Parker's deal from his performance. If he was playing well, his contract wouldn't be a big deal. But he's not (and hasn't for a couple of years), so the it is. He's not worth half his contract now. Maybe that will change because he'll have an Indian summer like Tim did. But it's not a smart bet to make at all, especially since there was no downside to waiting until July to reup him.An average of 14-15M per year is not a disaster. Lack of scoring is a disaster.
Running plays for kawhi. Hes became a ball hog. To much tweaking the line-up everyone healthy stick to 1! Ive never watched them play so bad.
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On offense:
- Parker playing like this year
- Kawhi having more reponsabilities but can't deliver
- No consistant playmaker.
- No go to player in tough situation
- Mills, Splitter, Diaw all mysteriouly declining
- Our shooters are having a bad year. But mainly because the playmakers (especially tony) are having a bad year and they don't have as much spacen as last year.
On D :
- Splitter not playing well
- Splitter not playing well
- Splitter not playing well
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Tim didn't have a "poor year". He signed that extension in 2007 when he was the best damn player in the NBA(and playing at a level we've never seen from Parker). His 2011 numbers were down from previous years but he was still an elite NBA calibre big man. He finished the contract on a high note with his 2012 season.
Manu signed that three year extension in 2010 - coming off a great season. He looked like an MVP candidate in 2011. Dropped off in 2012 but still productive(and the most impactful player on the Spurs). 2013 was an off year but that's irrelevant considering he lived up to his contract in the first two years.
Tony still had a year remaining on his contract and was coming off his worst season since 2010. The decline was obvious. Despite this, they hand him that bloated deal that has yet to get started.
No your point is just ty, period. If you want to suck Parker's , fine. Just don't drag Tim and Manu's name through the mud just to take the heat of Tony's historically bad year.
Sorry. I thought that Parker's contract was signed last summer and I was under the impression that Tony was still the scoring and assist leader for the team for the 2013-2014 season.
Sorry if I am wrong about that.
I was not referring to Tim's 2007 year, I was referring to his 2011 year, which was a below average year for him, and when he was being paid 22M. I didn't mind that payment then.
I have tried to be respectful to you regardless of your ad hominem attacks, but right now I just want you to GFY and take your vulgarity with you.
Tim signed a two year extension that would add on to an existing three year deal in 2007.
Extension with Spurs to take Duncan through 2011-12 season
October 31, 2007, 12:18 AM ET
He was the best damn player in the NBA when he signed that deal in '07. Parker was coming off his worst season in three years when he signed his $45 mil extension.
I'm not giving up on the team, but if things don't turn around...could the Spurs be looking at a major shakeup after this season?
Duncan and Manu are retiring. I'm not sure what could be bigger.
I just meant a major roster shakeup. Duncan and Ginobili retiring would be a part of that.
Only way we get better is through the draft and tanking so go get your
swimming trunks on..
Yep. This includes Poop.
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