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    This should concern EVERYONE regardless of political leanings. He's already pulled off the pass it before you read it with Obamacare, the same can not happen again.

    http://www.fcc.gov/do ent/pai-and-...lan-delay-vote

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    Related Snowden quote from reddit AMA

    This is a good question, and there are some good traditional answers here. Organizing is important. Activism is important.
    At the same time, we should remember that governments don’t often reform themselves. One of the arguments in a book I read recently (Bruce Schneier, “Data and Goliath”), is that perfect enforcement of the law sounds like a good thing, but that may not always be the case. The end of crime sounds pretty compelling, right, so how can that be?
    Well, when we look back on history, the progress of Western civilization and human rights is actually founded on the violation of law. America was of course born out of a violent revolution that was an outrageous treason against the crown and established order of the day. History shows that the righting of historical wrongs is often born from acts of unrepentant criminality. Slavery. The protection of persecuted Jews.
    But even on less extremist topics, we can find similar examples. How about the prohibition of alcohol? Gay marriage? Marijuana?
    Where would we be today if the government, enjoying powers of perfect surveillance and enforcement, had — entirely within the law — rounded up, imprisoned, and shamed all of these lawbreakers?
    Ultimately, if people lose their willingness to recognize that there are times in our history when legality becomes distinct from morality, we aren’t just ceding control of our rights to government, but our agency in determing thour [sic] futures.
    How does this relate to politics? Well, I suspect that governments today are more concerned with the loss of their ability to control and regulate the behavior of their citizens than they are with their citizens’ discontent.
    How do we make that work for us? We can devise means, through the application and sophistication of science, to remind governments that if they will not be responsible stewards of our rights, we the people will implement systems that provide for a means of not just enforcing our rights, but removing from governments the ability to interfere with those rights.
    You can see the beginnings of this dynamic today in the statements of government officials complaining about the adoption of encryption by major technology providers. The idea here isn’t to fling ourselves into anarchy and do away with government, but to remind the government that there must always be a balance of power between the governing and the governed, and that as the progress of science increasingly empowers communities and individuals, there will be more and more areas of our lives where — if government insists on behaving poorly and with a callous disregard for the citizen — we can find ways to reduce or remove their powers on a new — and permanent — basis.
    Our rights are not granted by governments. They are inherent to our nature. But it’s entirely the opposite for governments: their privileges are precisely equal to only those which we suffer them to enjoy.
    We haven’t had to think about that much in the last few decades because quality of life has been increasing across almost all measures in a significant way, and that has led to a comfortable complacency. But here and there throughout history, we’ll occasionally come across these periods where governments think more about what they “can” do rather than what they “should” do, and what is lawful will become increasingly distinct from what is moral.
    In such times, we’d do well to remember that at the end of the day, the law doesn’t defend us; we defend the law. And when it becomes contrary to our morals, we have both the right and the responsibility to rebalance it toward just ends.

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    This should concern EVERYONE regardless of political leanings. He's already pulled off the pass it before you read it with Obamacare, the same can not happen again.

    http://www.fcc.gov/do ent/pai-and-...lan-delay-vote
    The 2 Repug "we want to screw up Internet for corporate profits, cartelization" commissioners will be outvoted, 2-3. Public comments are so far OVERWHELMINGLY pro regulation and le II.

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    No argument here. Releasing details would hopefully ease concerns of government overreach and privacy violations, and would pressure the Ted Cruzes of the congress to argue specific issues with the plan instead of opposing it on "all government is bad" philosophical grounds.

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    Net Fix: 8 burning questions about Net neutrality


    1. What is Net neutrality?


    Net neutrality is the principle that all traffic on the Internet should be treated equally. And the new rules will ensure that whether you're checking Facebook, posting pictures to Instagram, shopping on Amazon, or streaming Netflix movies, all the information traveling across the Internet to you and from you should be treated the same. That means your Internet service provider -- whether that's a broadband company like Comcast or a wireless carrier like AT&T or Verizon -- can't block or slow down your access to that content. The new rules also ensure that a broadband provider can't pick winners and losers on the Internet by creating "fast lanes" that allow them to charge certain companies for priority, or faster, access to customers.

    2. Why does this matter to me?


    For consumers of Internet services (which covers the majority of people here in the US), Net neutrality means there's nothing in the way of you accessing your favorite sites and getting your favorite content. If you're an entrepreneur looking to start your own streaming service, you'll be be treated the same as a deep-pocketed Netflix or Google when delivering videos to your customers.

    3. What's going to change when these rules are adopted?


    Nothing. That's the whole point. The Internet has always operated on this basic principle of openness or Net neutrality. But over the last year, broadband providers such as Verizon opened the door to the idea of fast lanes and toll takers by taking a more liberal interpretation of the principles, sparking the need for firmer rules.

    The open nature of the Internet is critical for the fostering of new technologies and services. It's why a young Harvard student named Mark Zuckerberg was able to build the Facebook social network. It's also how two Stanford graduate students, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, were able, with their little project called Google, to change how we search for things on the Web -- and upend the advertising industry at the same time.


    The decade-long debate over how to implement Net neutrality has really been a battle to make certain a level of openness is preserved. And the way to preserve it is by establishing "rules of the road" that let Internet service providers, consumers and innovators know what's allowed and what's not allowed on the Net.


    4. If nothing would happen to the Internet if these new rules weren't adopted, why should I care?

    It's true that for much of the Internet's history there have been no formal rules governing Net neutrality. In fact, the only time official rules existed was between 2010 and 2014. Those rules were tossed out in January 2014 by a federal appeals court, so for the past year the Internet hasn't been "officially" protected by regulation. And most people can say that they have always and continue to enjoy a free and open Internet.

    So why do we need the rules? It's because it will help protect the Internet from turning into a closed system that looks like the existing cable TV model.


    Remember the "I want my MTV" campaign in the 1980s? Cable networks were unwilling to put MTV in their channel lineup. So MTV started the marketing campaign to get cable subscribers to demand that their local cable operators carry the channel. Imagine if YouTube or Netflix had to get permission from your broadband provider so you could watch your favorite cat videos or the next season of Netflix's "House of Cards" on their network?


    In the traditional cable TV model, cable operators decide which channels you get and how easy it is to find content. By contrast, broadband providers today have no control over which Web sites or online services you access. Most Internet users want to keep it that way. Net neutrality regulation ensures that happens.


    5. If everyone agrees on the rules, why are we still talking about this?


    It's not the rules per se that are controversial. In fact, just about everyone agrees on the actual rules. What today's battle over Net neutrality is really about is whether the government should reclassify broadband as a so-called le II telecommunications service under the 1934 Communications Act. If Internet service providers are treated as a le II service, the FCC can then regulate them using rules originally established for the old telephone network. This legal definition establishes broadband as a "common carrier," a centuries-old concept that means their network must be open to everyone.
    Wheeler's proposal, which will likely be approved on Thursday, makes this change to classify broadband under le II. It's a clear departure from the "light" regulation the broadband industry has enjoyed for nearly 20 years. This light-touch approach to regulation has encouraged billions of dollars in investment in infrastructure, like wireless networks, and has helped make the Internet the biggest growth engine in the US economy.

    Critics opposed to the FCC's le II stance say reclassification will stifle innovation and curb growth. Why? They say that in addition to keeping the Internet open, the new classification will also carry with it a set of old-style utility regulation that might let the FCC to set prices or even force companies to share their networks and infrastructure with compe ors.


    6. Why is the FCC taking this drastic measure to reclassify broadband?


    Democrats, consumer advocates and some Internet companies like Netflix say the only way the Net neutrality rules will hold up to court challenges is to use this old legal framework. Wheeler has said repeatedly that the FCC will ignore provisions in the old regulations that don't apply to broadband -- and that includes not setting rates or forcing companies to open their networks to compe ors.
    The carriers, however, are worried that future FCC commissioners might take a more proactive approach on rates, and le II would give them the legal backing to proceed.

    7. Will a new classification for broadband change anything?


    That's the big question. You won't see any changes immediately. But critics of the le II approach, such as Republican FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai, argue that applying utility-like regulation to broadband is a slippery slope because it could lead to the FCC imposing new taxes on the service, which will lead to higher prices for consumers. Critics also say this new classification will discourage broadband providers from investing in their networks.

    Wheeler has addressed these concerns. He has said the agency will ignore any provisions that would impose new taxes on broadband service. But it remains to be seen whether broadband providers will truly be too scared to invest in their networks. Wheeler argues that's unlikely, given the huge success of the most recent wireless spectrum auction, which generated $45 billion for the government. AT&T and Verizon, who oppose le II reclassification, were among the top three companies bidding in the auction, spending a total of $28.2 billion.


    Spectrum is critical to ensuring there is enough capacity to deliver more and more quan ies of information over the air, so it's unlikely that the carriers will let hold off on utilizing their newly gained licenses because of a different regulatory environment. It also isn't stopping new broadband compe ors, such as Google, from announcing plans to deploy its fiber network for providing Internet access to additional cities.


    8. Will Feb. 26 mark the end of this battle?


    Sadly, no. Lawsuits are sure to follow. The major broadband operators in the US, including AT&T, Verizon and some cable operators, have already said they'll likely file a legal challenge to the le II approach.

    Republicans in Congress have also already crafted legislation that codifies the basic Net neutrality rules everyone agrees on but would strip the FCC of its authority to regulate the Internet. Some experts expect the Republican legislation to pass. But if it does, that legislation will surely get vetoed by President Obama, who is a big supporter of the FCC's Net neutrality rules and reclassification of broadband as a le II service.


    But while the battle may rage on in the courts, this latest chapter in the Net neutrality debate will conclude once the FCC votes to adopt this latest set of rules.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/net-fix-8-b...tag=CAD1acfa04

    you clowns have been suckered by the VRWC propaganda and LIE into whining and ing about govt overreach, effectively whining about ALL govt regulation, but NEVER do you whine and about the much bigger problem of BigCorp buggery into every aspect of your life.



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    They can start by putting ISPs under le II, then we can discuss the details.

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    The 2 Repug "we want to screw up Internet for corporate profits, cartelization" commissioners will be outvoted, 2-3. Public comments are so far OVERWHELMINGLY pro regulation and le II.
    For 's sake do you ever read anything before spouting your bull ? This is not the same net neutrality proposal that was shown to the public last May.

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    For 's sake do you ever read anything before spouting your bull ? This is not the same net neutrality proposal that was shown to the public last May.
    Have you read anything about this topic yourself since May? What the meat is of this proposal has been discussed here and elsewhere for months now.

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    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz3SadiXEIL

    So why is the FCC swinging the regulatory sledgehammer? It’s not to guarantee an open Internet. Nowhere in the 332-page plan — which you won’t see until after the FCC votes on it — can one find a description of systemic harms to consumers or entrepreneurs online. And small wonder, for the Internet is open today. Consumers can easily access the content of their choice. Online entrepreneurs can and do innovate freely.

    No, the purpose is control for control’s sake. Digital dysfunction must be conjured into being to justify a public-sector power grab. Aside from being a bad deal for everyone who relies on the Internet, this Beltway-centric plan also distracts the FCC from what it should be focusing on: increasing broadband compe ion and giving consumers better broadband choices.

    While the FCC is inserting government bureaucracy into all aspects of Internet access, the FEC is debating whether to regulate Internet content, specifically political speech posted for free online.

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    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-regs-will-make-internet-slow-as-in-europe-warn-fcc-fec-commissioners/article/2560567


    They also joined to warn about the Democrat-chaired Federal Election Commission eyeing regulation of political speech on the Internet.

    Noting recent votes on the issue that ended in a political deadlock, the two wrote, “these close votes and the risk of idiosyncratic case-by-case enforcement inevitably discourage citizens and groups from speaking freely online about politics.”

    Bottom line, they warned: “Internet freedom works. It is difficult to imagine where we would be today had the government micromanaged the Internet for the past two decades as it does Amtrak and the U.S. Postal Service. Neither of us wants to find out where the Internet will be two decades from now if the federal government tightens its regulatory grip. We don’t need to shift control of the Internet to bureaucracies in Washington. Let’s leave the power where it belongs — with the American people. When it comes to Americans’ ability to access online content or offer political speech online, there isn’t anything broken for the government to “fix.” To paraphrase President Ronald Reagan, Internet regulation isn’t the solution to a problem. Internet regulation is the problem.”


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    I'm not worried about net neutrality slowing speeds down or raising pricing, I am worried about our constantly over reaching government censoring content.

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    Love how the re ed techies who are so afraid of verizon and comcast ruining the internet that they have cried out for government to ruin the internet.

    The irony of course is that once regulatory capture occurs, as it always does, only verizon and comcast will exist anyway.

    "Net neutrality" is a trojan horse. Lol @ thinking government cares about your internet experience.

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    Public comments are so far OVERWHELMINGLY pro regulation and le II.
    You are full of like always.

    AMERICAN PEOPLE OPPOSE PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PLAN TO REGULATE THE INTERNET AND SUPPORT FCC TRANSPARENCY

    According to a survey conducted over the weekend by Hart Research Associates, a leading

    Democratic polling firm, the American people by a wide margin oppose President Obama’s plan to
    regulate the Internet. Moreover, they overwhelmingly believe that the Federal Communications
    Commission should make the plan available to the public before any vote. Among the key findings:


    56% of Americans do not believe that the government should take a stronger and more active
    role in overseeing and regulating the Internet. Only 33% favor such government action.

    53% of Americans believe that it would be harmful for the FCC to do what President Obama has
    requested and regulate the Internet using the same authority it has used to regulate telephone
    service. Only 32% believe taking that step would be helpful.

    79% of Americans believe that the exact wording and the details of the plan to regulate the
    Internet should be made public before the FCC votes on it. Only 13% of Americans oppose
    making the plan’s exact language public prior to the vote.

    Only 9% of Americans believe that the FCC should pass the proposed regulations as they
    currently stand. 85% support either delaying the vote until the full plan is made public or oppose
    any new regulations.
    Reacting to the results,

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    You are full of like always.

    AMERICAN PEOPLE OPPOSE PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PLAN TO REGULATE THE INTERNET AND SUPPORT FCC TRANSPARENCY

    According to a survey conducted over the weekend by Hart Research Associates, a leading

    Democratic polling firm, the American people by a wide margin oppose President Obama’s plan to
    regulate the Internet. Moreover, they overwhelmingly believe that the Federal Communications
    Commission should make the plan available to the public before any vote. Among the key findings:


    56% of Americans do not believe that the government should take a stronger and more active
    role in overseeing and regulating the Internet. Only 33% favor such government action.

    53% of Americans believe that it would be harmful for the FCC to do what President Obama has
    requested and regulate the Internet using the same authority it has used to regulate telephone
    service. Only 32% believe taking that step would be helpful.

    79% of Americans believe that the exact wording and the details of the plan to regulate the
    Internet should be made public before the FCC votes on it. Only 13% of Americans oppose
    making the plan’s exact language public prior to the vote.

    Only 9% of Americans believe that the FCC should pass the proposed regulations as they
    currently stand. 85% support either delaying the vote until the full plan is made public or oppose
    any new regulations.
    Reacting to the results,
    you are a perfect example of being duped by VRWC/BigCorp/Repug/Fox slander, lies, propanda

    Most Americans don't know WTF Internet is, nor what net netrality is, nor what le II is, etc, etc. iow, their "opinions" are "JayWalking" worthless.

    and you don't give a link to your BigCorp/BigISP propaganda

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    BigCorps want to screw up Internet to make more money.

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    you are a perfect example of being duped by VRWC/BigCorp/Repug/Fox slander, lies, propanda

    Most Americans don't know WTF Internet is, nor what net netrality is, nor what le II is, etc, etc. iow, their "opinions" are "JayWalking" worthless.

    and you don't give a link to your BigCorp/BigISP propaganda
    Net neutrality is great in theory, but you are naïve to think that is how it will play out in the government's hands.

    And my BigCorp/BigISP propaganda is from the FCC's website http://www.fcc.gov/do ents

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    BigCorps want to screw up Internet to make more money.
    BigGov wants the money. Estimating 15 billion in tax revenue.

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    BigGov wants the money. Estimating 15 billion in tax revenue.
    bull , where do you get $15B, you BigCorp sucker?

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    Net neutrality is great in theory, but you are naïve to think that is how it will play out in the government's hands.

    And my BigCorp/BigISP propaganda is from the FCC's website http://www.fcc.gov/do ents
    the FCC decision to reserve to itself to regulate Internet as a public utility is a defensive move against BigCorps wanting to screw us all.

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    Net neutrality is great in theory, but you are naïve to think that is how it will play out in the government's hands.

    And my BigCorp/BigISP propaganda is from the FCC's website http://www.fcc.gov/do ents
    Yeah, that whole electricity thing and interstate system in the US were absolute, colossal failures.

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    Yeah, that whole electricity thing and interstate system in the US were absolute, colossal failures.
    What an awful take. Care to explain how the government would abuse electricity and interstate?

    After all Snowden has revealed do you really trust gov running/regulating/controlling your internet?

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    bull , where do you get $15B, you BigCorp sucker?
    There's a lot of figures floating around. Standard USF fee would bring in billions alone.

    Its shocking that you rail the NSA yet believe gov won't abuse its power when it comes to running the Internet.

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    Without the streaming of netflix and kodi, my internet can easily be handled in my cell data plan.

    At the end of the day, isn't this about not turning the cable/dish services into the newspaper industry?

    Feel bad for providers, they bare the brunt of streaming services.

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    The silver lining in all of this is getting to laugh at all the libs for ever and ever and ever when comcast & verizon buy the regulators (like the regulators have always wanted) and use their new found power to squash all compe ion (like the libs have always feared)

    No one cares about your netflix viewing habits.

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