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I can agree with that statement why teach something that has not been proven like Man Evolving from a fish.
whats that? ....... there is no proof?
Then why is it in the textbooks?
what do you believe was the supreme being's purpose for creating you.
I can agree with that statement why teach something that has not been proven like Man Evolving from a fish.
whats that? ....... there is no proof?
Then why is it in the textbooks?
Of course it could, but it conflicts pretty directly with "God" which is why many try to deny it.
Don't know what the purpose is actually. When you think about it, sometimes we make doodles on paper without even intending to. Things could boil down to something as simple as that. We could easily just be something created out of sheer boredom. We could be excess materials from the making of something greater. There are too many possibilities. So yeah.... I have no idea. All that I can do is try to live the best way I know how.
I don't think science conflicts with "God" at all. I like to believe that perhaps "God" uses science himself in order to create and all that other good stuff.
well if you want to believe there's a supernatural being messing with your life, no skin off my back.
...even though it seems pretty foolish.
you don't need an invisible friend for that, tbh.All that I can do is try to live the best way I know how.
Yeah, it does, and you just inadvertently proved my point precisely.
^A completely ridiculous, baseless, and yet completely unfalsifiable assertion... ever heard of the "scientific method"?
I enjoy the gist of your post... but it is just so hard to believe were just "doodles" man. We got billions of years of evolutionary history behind us at this point. If all that is just one of God's doodles... damn bro. Though when you think about it, we ARE evolving still into yet different creatures. A million years from now, if were still alive, we may be unrecognizeable. If we travel the stars, many different human offshoots may occur.
we could also be products of the flying spaghetti monster
Pretty much yeah. There is no telling what humanity will become in the future. All a person can do is live their life in the way that makes them happy.
You can try to ridicule me all you want. It won't phase me in the slightest because the reality of the situation is that atheism is based on incomplete science. If it were complete and proven, then there would be no debate.
I don't also don't buy into the whole idea that "God" controls my destiny. If he does then what the is the point of free will. I like to believe that our destiny is what we make it based upon the choices we are faced with in life.
No ridicule, true atheism isn't based on incomplete science. It's not really based on anything, tbh.
We are all born atheist and are unknowingly atheist until someone presents religion to us.
ok but you mentioned you've seen enough things to not believe in coincidence.....which would imply God is meddling with destiny.I don't also don't buy into the whole idea that "God" controls my destiny. If he does then what the is the point of free will. I like to believe that our destiny is what we make it based upon the choices we are faced with in life.
You are basing this statement on the assumption that I base my faith on how God affects my everyday life. This couldn't be further from the real truth. I love nature. You should go out into the woods by yourself and observe for about a month. You will start seeing the "coincidences" that I am talking about.
Give an example
Actually, your brain is essentially programmed to look for patterns -- a product of many many years of evolution. What coincidences are you speaking of and what are their implications in your mind?
So you're walking along in the woods and you see rocks and trees and things, then you see a picket fence and a cottage. You continue to walk and you see more rocks and trees and things. You feel you know the fence and the cottage was made by someone. How do you differentiate? It's because the rocks and trees and things weren't.
It isn't something that I can explain well. It is something that a person must experience. You surely can't do it from in front of your computer, in your house, in the middle of a city or town.
If there is one thing you would like to study from home, look at the food chain. It is remarkable how everything in it depends on one another. You take one thing or change the temperature just a little bit, everything could come crashing down and that ecosystem is doomed. Everything in the food chain seems to have a purpose. Is it really so bad to think that we have a higher purpose due to our place in the evolutionary ladder? Are we so intelligent because we are only meant to survive, or were we meant for something more? Why would something so fragile allow something to evolve that could potentially destroy it?
I understand that many of you will write these questions off as the babbling of a crazy person, and this is fine with me. As I said before, this is the way I see the world and everything in it. No matter where you are or what you are doing, we are always looking to make those connections with nature, technology and each other. Is it a coincidence that every single person has this same instinct?
So in the end, do you get an after life reward for being right?
That only applies to the religious. I am not a religious person. I consider myself more spiritual. If you want me to get technical, my body will become the dirt, plants will draw nutrients from my body and I could very well live again in that sense.
I get the feeling you think I am a bible thumper because your condescending remarks seem to be directed more towards them than me. I live my own way. If the bible pushers are right, so be it. If I am right, so be it. If you are right, so be it. It all boils down to me not really giving a . I'll discover these things on my own and will not rely on ancient texts or the teachings of anyone else to get me there. I am not saying that there aren't interesting lessons to be learned from the bible and other holy books, but I prefer to experience life rather than read it and take it as truth.
So approach it with an open, clear mind. Don't presuppose an afterlife. To do so already puts you behind the 8-ball, so to speak.
Well you said this earlier in the thread:
so far, I'm not seeing how it's foolish to close the door on God existing.
Once you close the door on the matter you also close your mind to possibility. This is the problem that I have always had with empirical data. It shuts down the efforts towards making the impossible possible. It takes the ones who see beyond empirical data and do not confine themselves to something so absolute that advance the human race. Just because a set of empirical data shows the likelihood of there not being a "God", doesn't mean that one should close the door on it. It just seems likely based on our current knowledge. We cannot claim to know everything when we really don't. That is the foolishness behind closing the door on the matter.
"God" is just an idea. Atheism is also just an idea. They are only ideas because neither can really be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Am I open to the idea of there not being a "God"? Of course I am. Am I open to the idea of there being a "God"? Of course I am. I choose to put my stock in the existence of "God" simply because I see things in the world and in the universe that confuse the out of the smartest people on the planet. Am I really expected to believe what they say when it is abundantly clear that they are incapable of providing all the answers that I seek?
that's not true. Plenty of things out there that are currently not possible that I believe will one day be possible.
back to God: why is it foolish to close the door on the existence of a God? What do I lose? What does society lose?
who cares. what's the difference anyway.
Creationists
right. What difference is it to believe in the possibility of God or notwhat's the difference anyway.
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