Nothing but lottery balls and first-round exits for Kirby post-Shaq and pre-MVPau.... results don't lie.Pow helped majorly in Kobe's championship aspirations, sure, but 0-16 before being traded to the Lakers? Yeah Kobe needed Pau to save him
Larry Johnson, like Drob had a back injury that sucked the freak athletic part of them away and they were never the same. Still, Drob managed maintain being a great defensive presence down low.
I think TP has a major case of the yips right now. Hes not the same physically so he's struggling to adjust his game which is giving him a mental road block.
Still one of the best to do it despite being having to be saved, according to your claims.
LeBron couldn't do it without two superstars beside him.
The Clippers with Griffin and Paul still couldn't.......... do like always
So let's not act like basketball Kobe's results are a byproduct of him needing some saving.
Every superstar and global icon in this league needed help from their teammates (ding ding ding basketball is a team sport, ha!) and their front offices gave it to them. Result? A
LeBron, Duncan, and Hakeem dragged trash teams to rings.
But, but, everyone needs help!
LeBron - Wade and Bosh
Duncan - Parker and Ginobili
Hakeem - Kenny and Clyde
Bird - Parish, McHale, DJ
Magic - Kareem, Worthy
Isiah - Rodman, Microwave, Laimbeer
Let's stop acting like not everybody needs help one way or another in a TEAM sport like basketball
It's easy to find guys who declined rapidly either due to old age (late 30s) or injury
It's pretty uncommon to find guys like Parker where the wheels fall off by their early 30s and not due to injury.
Actually, I don't think Arenas' decline was this severe, he just got out of the league with the gun and betting bull . Eddy Curry and Sanders are more of a flash in the pan, IMO... they had a peak for a couple of seasons and that's about it...
Wade - 5th overallLeBron - Wade and Bosh
Duncan - Parker and Ginobili
Hakeem - Kenny and Clyde
Bird - Parish, McHale, DJ
Magic - Kareem, Worthy
Isiah - Rodman, Microwave, Laimbeer
Let's stop acting like not everybody needs help one way or another in a TEAM sport like basketball
Bosh - 4th overall
Kenny - 6th overall
Clyde - 14th overall
Parish - 8th overall
McHale - 3rd overall
Kareem - 1st overall
Worthy - 1st overall
Laimbeer - 65th overall
Rodman - 27th overall
Johnson - 7th overall
Shaq - 1st overall
Pau Gasol - 3rd overall
Howard - 1st overall
Bynum - 10th overall
Artest - 16th overall
Parker - 28th overall
Ginobili - 57th overall
Comparing 1st overall picks to 28th and 57th as if "help is help".
parker is old too tbh, he has just as much mileage as tim duncan and his game relies a lot on athleticism. I think he'll figure it out (would be much more worried if he didn't develop a 3 pointer), but obviously as a defender he's done and has been for a while now.It's easy to find guys who declined rapidly either due to old age (late 30s) or injury
It's pretty uncommon to find guys like Parker where the wheels fall off by their early 30s and not due to injury.
Arenas got traded to orlando if you remember and failed miserably. I think he went out of the league mostly because of his contract and the rise of analytics.
Bottom line: Did they help the superstars on the left win a championship?
Larry Johnson, like Drob had a back injury that sucked the freak athletic part of them away and they were never the same. Still, Drob managed maintain being a great defensive presence down low.
I think TP has a major case of the yips right now. Hes not the same physically so he's struggling to adjust his game which is giving him a mental road block.
tbh, I don't even remember... I recall he was putting up big numbers on the wiz until he got suspended indefinitely and he never looked the same
Senile much?
All you have to do is say yes. We all know they did help, no matter what was their order in the draft.
it was the year before dwert bolted, orlando made a huge trade to make a playoff push and keep him there, so they got arenas, j rich, turkoglu and earl clark for vince carter, pietrus and marcin gortat.. Needless to say, it was one of the worst trades ever and the gm got fired.
Parker - 2nd year in the league, posted an 11.9 PER...wow, such great help
Manu - was a rookie that year, posted a 15.0 PER (league average)
David Robinson - on his absolute last leg, hardly played 20 mpg in the playoffs
'03 Duncan was one of the rare cases where one player basically single-handedly carried his team to a championship. Kobe has never done anything remotely similar.
It's not exactly like you ever root for Vince Carter or Arturo Gatti. You root for the world rank #1 at EVERYTHING, it's really not that hard to add a lol emoticon at the end of everything when you root for the #1.And Kirby needed MVPau to come save him, after already groveling back at Phil's feet
It's like the guys that were rooting for Michael's Bulls in LA and were saying the Lakers, it really is hard to debate anything with them
Steve Francis
Cuttino Mobley
Gilbert Arenas
Which trash team did LeBron drag to a ring?
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