On flip side, they are risking two things if they keep it:
1. LA, at present, sucks and sucks hard. They are definitely keeping the pick this year, so, add a top-3 pick to Randle who comes back and use 30+ in CAp to go after two players who have publicly expressed a desire to play for Lakers. With or without Kibe, that's attractive, and if it happens, that is likely a late lottery, maybe 7-8 seed playoff team depending on how the other Western teams handle the offseason.
2. That the Lakers, a bottom 3 team in NBA this year with vets, actively tank once Vets are off the books and after swinging/missing on top Faa, Lakers end up in the top-3 again, so Lakers keep 1st again, adding another top-3 pick to a top-5 pick, to a top-7 pick and get Kobe off books, adding 24 million to existing 30 in space, and gaining roughly 10-15 more when CAp increases. So, now, the Lakers in a prime year for Free Agency, have 50-60 million in CAp and multiple high lottery picks. So, assuming they nab a FA in 2016, now they may be a playoff team again and pick is a lot like Hawks pick in 2008.
It was just as much a gamble to keep the pick as it was to trade it.
And, yes, Bledsoe is a PG. Knight it a PG. But only one of them has their full knees.
It's not that far fetched to think within two years Knight is a 20 PPG scorer in highly efficient perimeter shooting and the Lakers 1st given to Philly is mid-round.
You're assuming a lot of things in your scenarios. You're assuming Randle is a good player, which we don't know that seeing as though he hasn't played a meaningful amount of games yet. You're also assuming good players will sign with LA in the off-season.
LA had a boat load of cash this past off-season too, did anyone sign with them then?
Love and Dragic openly have expressed an interest in LA.
That's a big difference. Love played in LA in college and is from the West Coast, and Dragic waited all of 20 hours after his trade to let his people leak how Dragic sees Lakers as his ideal.
And, yes, I'm assuming.
However, so are you, in, again, the flip side, that the Lakers will be bad but just good enough the pick is a highly coveted top-5 in a great draft, vs a middling pick in a middling draft.
I mean, say it's top-5 in 2016. Well, the 2015 prep class is not very good, so it will likely be a draft like the Bennett draft. Maybe worse. So, who cares?
You're also assuming Knight can't work longterm, won't improve, won't be worth the cost, won't be a great replacement should something go south with kneeless Bledsoe.
So, I'll ask, what's wrong with assuming?
At least mine is based upon statements of interest, statistics, and health facts.
Kevin Love doesn't scare me. Dragic isn't going to LA, he's gonna resign with Miami as they can offer him the most money and the longest term. So that Lakers team will basically be d-leaguers and Kevin Love?
I don't mind Knight as a player, I just wish we didn't give up a 1st round pick from last year, the Lakers pick will which likely be a lottery pick, and a big man for him. Especially considering he's a free agent this year coming up.
I thought you said you have no idea about the LKaers 1st and now it "will be" lottery?
Sure, I can buy that. But where? 10-14 is lottery. Is 10-14 in a ty draft worth your panties being in a twist?
You're underselling LA. Dragic literally had his people stel the Suns he's not afraid to walk from the extra year for the right team, situation.
You really have a problem with my assumptions based upon statements, statistics, and health of players yet have no problem just stating that your opinions, which fly in the face of player statements, statistics, health, as fact, like because you dislike this, the opposite must be true.
I'm telling you, as someone employed by Scout.com, the 2015 prep class is nothing special, and even a top-5 in 2016 isn't likely worth foregoing a near All-Star.
I didn't say will be, I said the pick will likely be lottery. I have a problem with assumptions, period. People said the 2013 draft was ty, look at some of the players who were drafted - Oladipo, Len, Steven Adams, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Mason Plumlee, Rudy Gobert, Shabazz Muhammad, Kelly Olynyk, Tim Hardaway Jr, Gorgui Dieng, etc. Many of these above listed players were drafted outside of the lottery and are contributing to their teams on a rookie scaled contract. That Lakers pick was a huge asset that we pissed away on a good player who is a free agent in the off-season. You're dreaming if you think he's gonna sign for 10-12. We're gonna lock him up for a substantial amount of money thus crippling any cap room because our front office is ran by a bunch of goons.
Love ain't going to LA. Cavs will be in the NBA Finals this year, and you don't leave that for a lottery dweller. Plus, the Cavs can sign him for more money.
Dragic ain't going to LA. He fits better in Miami, plus, Miami can-and-will pay him more than other teams will.
Lakers might get some big FA signings this offseason, but neither of those two guys will be among them.
Like you they are a fraud. You live in the same fraudulent area, yet you purport to be a Lakers fan. Oh what's the odds you chose a team with that many rings over 0 and forever?
You're basically Steve Nash of ST. You do a ton of dribbling, you have worthless assists of your Lakerfan friends and yet you've never done anything noteworthy. You abandoned the Suns for the Lakers and, like Nash, you just reaped the rewards without persevering, quitter. At least Nash got awards. Look at you, nary a ing medal under your name.
There's maybe one all-star in that group.
And I actually said the draft didn't suck. I said it was week at the top and had good depth, likening it to the 2001 draft, minus a player of Pau's career.
You don't like assumptions, but that's literally what a draft pick is - an assumption - and factor in the questions regarding the pick, where it lands, when it is relinquished, it would seem that taking a known commodity who is still very young for two role players and a Wildcard is something you'd be in favor of.
And Mori, please... Speaking in absolutes about two dudes who have publicly stated a desire to be the guy, can both compliment each other's game, both say they will heavily consider LA, who both tried to force a trade to Lakers in last few years.
The Suns can literally make a qualifying offer to Knight, and still have 13-15 million in CAp to go after a player of note. Then in 2016 when the CAP increases by anywhere from a projected 12-20 million, they could in theory have another Max/NearMax contract to offer.
They are far from screwed as far as flexibility. In fact, it's one of the main things they got in return from their deals, trading a 5/100 future contract for Dragic for likely a 5/60 to 5/70 contract in Knight who's 7 years Dragic's younger. Then cleared Thomas off the CAP, and added three 1sts to go with top-5 Euro prospect, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and players like Goodwin, Bullock, and Warren, who were each 1sts within last two drafts.
With Morrii splitting a total of 12 per, and Len on rookie, the only contract as far as pay is arguably Tucker, and he's short-term, mid-level.
You clearly don't know he Suns books.
By making the trade they delayed draft picks turning into players for a few years, still have young/cheap assets, cleared 12 million (Thomas/Plumlee/Ennis/ZDragic) off the immediate Cap, and swapped long-term contracts, saving them upwards of 25-40 million or 5-8 million per year from what Dragic would command.
Yup, agreed 100%. I could have written that myself almost word for word.
lmcontrollinao!!!
But, you're rotten in the core, JM. Bledsoe, the Morris kids, Green, even Tucker are all rockheads, militant blacks who do not belong here. By brazening it out now you're only delaying the inevitable/running them off later like you ran off IT who is from the exact same stock.
Great breakdown. It seems the Suns are trying to go the Houston route to contention, stockpiling assets and keeping cap flexibility for when that Thunder-want-to-trade-Harden scenario comes up out of nowhere.
True but I think a Harden-esque opportunity happens in the league once in a decade.
Which franchise players arrived at their team via trade? Harden, Chris Paul and......
But/& what has Harden, even the (esque) accomplished? Nothing. One would surmise that perhaps Houston would take a different tact, even teasing us with a sample Vs. Cleveland, perhaps a new thing "We'll meet you on the square from here on out.",,, but, no, they couldn't stand it and eased on back down into the perpetual do-do with their play on King James. And upon examination they only did that because they passed by the fire and felt the heat, even the tiniest bit of warmth...& hustled on back to the horde (The 29).
So Russell is a winner but Harden isn't? Didn't they both make it to the Finals together? Isn't Harden leading his own team? Do you think RW has more "common sense" than Harden? Old man, you don't know whether to or go blind.
I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.
Whether to or go blind
Posted by Klaren on March 01, 2002
"He didn't know whether to or go blind", as a euphemism for an impossible situation. Does anyone know where this phrase came from? It has been used for at least a couple of decades in Canada.
- Re: or go blind R. Berg 03/01/02
- Re: ...or wind his wris ch ESC 03/01/02
- Re: ...or wind his wris ch ESC 03/01/02
- Re: Vulgarism; wris ch R. Berg 03/01/02
- Re: vulgarism; wris ch nita 03/07/02
- I'm pretty sure it was coined by Dale Robinson out in Arizona for use several years later on an NBA forum.
^Danka.
My dream backcourt was Dragic and Harden...they were nearly there. MET with OKC on a possible trade but "never got close". But the fact that the two teams met indicates that OKC had some sort of offer that the Suns said "no way" to which infuriates me.
But, can Harden transcend? He's failed so far. Last time out he couldn't even get off the canvas until he was in Portland at 0-2. That is an indictment. It's one thing to use the officiating as YOU see fit. It's another thing to be in league with them...just when you need them most, they've drifted off leaving you to fend for yourself, where you've never fended before.
Not a long list, you're right. But you almost have to bottom out to get a high enough draft pick for a franchise player, while the pre-Harden Rockets and current Suns seem to try to at least contend for the 8th spot.
Part of the cap management bit is potentially having enough cap space to snag a big FA. Another low-percentage move, but it worked for the Rockets with Howard and almost Bosh.
And if worst comes to worst, those extra picks make it easier to potentially build via the draft by giving more chances at a franchise-changing player. That's what Philly is going all in on.
This is something I have noticed a lot during Spurs' away games this season. Everywhere they play they seem to have a very vocal supporting crowd, that didn't use to happen before. I guess last year's championship gain them some bandwagoners.I feel like we do have those genuine Suns fans but, for the most parts, I feel like we had more San Antonio than Phoenix fans tonight
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