Wait, so Russ can't heroball because he's playing Scott's game plan, but Tony under Pop has that freedom? Ok...*files your take under "re ed "*
And you're a guy that thinks way too highly of yourself.
Rings matter for Parker but not for Kobe. Quality of teammates and organization brings Kobe's value down but not Parker's. Yet I'm the one that lacks honesty. I'm equally harsh on both these sorry s not just the guy not wearing a Spurs uniform.
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Yeah, I don't know what other stupid comparison you are trying to make. Your post makes no sense.
Has nothing to do with me. Your take can stand on it's own, you need to prop it up using hyperbole.
Are you really comparing 28th pick Tony Parker to Kobe Bryant?Rings matter for Parker but not for Kobe. Quality of teammates and organization brings Kobe's value down but not Parker's. Yet I'm the one that lacks honesty.
You said Tony goes out there and plays hero ball, but in another thread you said Russ has to play that way because that's how the system is built, iso ball. Russ doesn't have a choice, but Tony does. Here's you again not taking into consideration the respective coaches. You go off the rail on one side, then you go off the rail on the other.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. Russ has a green light to play iso ball. Tony takes liberties with his green light sometimes and forces things with the apparent notion that, unless he gets going, the team is doomed. Russ might have a green light, but he's still the point guard and has decisions to make. He just always makes the selfish one. Tony has moments but he also plays within the offense most of the time.
The truth about the coaches is that Pop doesn't allow iso balling heroics to ruin his games. He will bench a guy who's ing it up most of the time. Scott won't, he's enamored by stats because he's a ty coach, basically a player-coach who gets excited by dunks and showboating. He doesn't control his team, he makes suggestions to them like they are in charge and he's a consultant. Pop screams at Tony, has for years.
You're an idiot.
Wasn't Kobe like the 14th pick?
Anyways for as as smart as you claim you are, you can be pretty ing stupid. Nobody is saying to compare them to each other. I'm saying when either of them is compared to another player, rings give Tony the edge but not Kobe. Keep a consistent stance.
Kobe-LBJ comparison: You side with LBJ bc he's clearly the better talent. Kobe just had Shaq, Pau, the Lakers organization, etc.
Porker-Russ comparison: Porker. 4 rings and FMVP. End of discussion.
He put the target on himself, trying to play hero ball when supposedly he is not 100%.
No . That's exactly what I've been saying. Pop and Brooks are two different animals, as are their respective systems.
Yet you still can't see why I'd have a bigger problem with a guy heroballing in Pop's system than I would in Brook's system (with a short handed team no less)?
I love TP....he's still my .
He has done what you said there, no arguing at all with that it's true. He gets mentally taken out of the game and needs to sit, the others play it out and so on like Tim and Manu as you said. That part there is correct and I never will argue that, it has happened quite a few times. BTW Jaren Jackson and some you mentioned had a series or so, would not compare them to Parker but some of the guys were great role players and ever so clutch in our runs and even had to Spell Parker at times if you go to Claxton and Barry (You mentioned Kerr who spelled him too a few times namely game 6 at Dallas). Rasho ehhhhhhh, his run here was 04 and he never had a great series or anything special so I will leave him out of that (Regular season player mostly).
I can always tell by how fast someone responds that they aren't even considering anything being said, they're just in mode. You're in mode. Kobe was 13th overall, and that's a bit higher than 28th. Don't act like you didn't look and then go off by one just to pretend you didn't.Wasn't Kobe like the 14th pick?
Are you comparing Tony Parker to Kobe Bryant? The smilies won't bail you out here.
Kobe is compared to Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan. Tony is compared to Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, other random hyped up point guards who never won .Anyways for as as smart as you claim you are, you can be pretty ing stupid. Nobody is saying to compare them to each other. I'm saying when either of them is compared to another player, rings give Tony the edge but not Kobe. Keep a consistent stance.
Are you saying Tony's comparison and Kobe's are on the same level, that rings don't matter when the guy you're being compared to has zero and you have 4? When you've got a Finals MVP and have led the team most of the time you've been in the league? When you're part of the winningest trio ever in professional sports? I guess Tony is just a lucky recipient of that position.
It seems to be a consensus that James is better than Kobe. Kobe was never the best player on the planet, ever. Maybe you think Kobe is better than Michael since rings and all that don't count. They played hard.. heroes. Mike never scored 81 in a single game.Kobe-LBJ comparison: You side with LBJ bc he's clearly the better talent. Kobe just had Shaq, Pau, the Lakers organization, etc.
Porker-Russ comparison: Porker. 4 rings and FMVP. End of discussion.
"end discussion"... lol.. way to put the stamp of autism on it.
Yet Russ doesn't have a choice and Tony does.
Short handed.. lol. You've got two 40 year old players in your top 4. You've got Marco Belinelli as a sieve on defense. You've got Patty Mills who couldn't hold down a spot even on the most injured team in the history of professional sports, with only Marshall rivaling them, and you want to call the Thunder "short handed" because one guy is out? Against the ing Sixers? lolYet you still can't see why I'd have a bigger problem with a guy heroballing in Pop's system than I would in Brook's system (with a short handed team no less)?
Funny, they were short handed last year and Kevin went 32-12, won the MVP because Russ wasn't playing. Are you too ing stupid to see reality?
Gonna be a long 3 years for some of you TP haters....
Basically what my nig HI-FI said
They're just walls of . No need to re-read them. Also lol at you knowing when I do or don't look stuff up...aren't you just all-knowing? It's common knowledge that Kobe was a late lottery pick, got. I took a guess.
So 3 additional rings aren't enough to catapult someone over the superior talent but 4 and a FMVP are? Do Bosh's two catapult him over zeros like Barkley and Malone? What's the cut-off? Is age taken into consideration for this? Who makes the rules for this...you?Kobe is compared to Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan. Tony is compared to Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, other random hyped up point guards who never won .
Are you saying Tony's comparison and Kobe's are on the same level, that rings don't matter when the guy you're being compared to has zero and you have 4? When you've got a Finals MVP and have led the team most of the time you've been in the league? When you're part of the winningest trio ever in professional sports? I guess Tony is just a lucky recipient of that position.
It also seemed to be a consensus that CP3 was the best PG in the league during his prime (and Tony's). Tony was never held in the same regard that Westbrook is currently held either. So what's your point exactly?It seems to be a consensus that James is better than Kobe. Kobe was never the best player on the planet, ever. Maybe you think Kobe is better than Michael since rings and all that don't count. They played hard.. heroes. Mike never scored 81 in a single game.
"end discussion"... lol.. way to put the stamp of autism on it.
Well, that's what your argument consists of. Westbrook can have his metric$, Tony will take the 4 rings and FMVP...remember?
You ing idiot. The talent level of the Spurs is irrelevant. The Spurs don't win primarily bc of individual talent, the Thunder do. The Spurs run a well-oiled, one for all system...when one guys strays away from that it's pretty disgusting. It's a little different than the situation in OKC, two guys make up their 'system' and one of them is out.
KD is a better player? Not sure what that has to do with number of FGAs. KD shot a lot during his run too, moreso than he would've if Russ was there. Your FGAs will increase when the other half of your 'system' is gone.
Why am I even having to explain this for like a third time? Are you that stupid or just trolling?
Not sure if it's worth it but i'll say it anyway...
Do you people really think that Paker is "straying" from the system with his play? Hero balliing and padding stats ?
Do you really think that, under Pop, a player can do that and not be benched/kicked out in the second?
Do you really think that?
Thr reason you're hating him, the way he plays, IS EXACTLY WHAT POP IS TELLING HIM TO DO! Because that's how the Spurs can win (not according to me but to Pop)!
So hate Pop, hate the system, it's your goddam right and it's no big deal but stop doing as if Parker is not doing exactly as he's told.
Almost everyone on the Spurs seemed to have taken a step back from last season. Parker's decline is the most noticeable since he is usually the one running the offense. His penetration was the only reliable and consistent paint scoring for the Spurs other than maybe bigs that roll to the basket.
Without his speed and penetration, shots don't open up as often for the 3 pt shooters and everyone's 3 pt percentage declines. Not all Parker's fault though, players like Splitter, Mills, Diaw, and Leonard at times seem to be suffering from dry spells and Splitter inexplicably reverted back to 2013 finals form.
The offense hinges on both Tony and Manu functioning at a high enough level. Either one falters and things will not be pretty in the postseason, save for some improvisation by Patty/Marco. The Manu fans will always hate on Parker, and vice versa. In the end, both are essential.
The defense is one of the best in the league with Tiago and Kawhi back, so much less worried about that end of things.
FkLA getting ted on as usual
the parker hate is re ed, but so was the manu hate in 2013 (and since). Both are/were playing through hamstring injuries, but both deserve the benefit of the doubt for all the sacrifices they made for the team. You havent been paying attention if you think this is something new, even top 10 player all time duncan got on after 2011.
In saying that manu deserved the hate he got in 2013, you arent much better than the other clowns. 35 y/o Manu played 23 mpg in 2013 (6th on the team), attempted 9 FGA (4th on the team) but you people want to hold him accountable as if he were the league MVP. when Durant tripped by himself at the end of game 6 last year he threw away his teams chances to win, or when westbrook takes that terrible off balance air ball, or when chris paul loses the ball 3 times in less than a minute vs okc- and most anyone wouldnt take manu AND tp over either of those 3- bottom line, happens to everyone. Maybe its a cultural thing but where Im from fans support their team, not eviscerate them.
I've always had a problem with his playoff shortcomings, not him personally. Been that way since the Speedy Claxton days didn't just start this year. Cue the re s that think he is actually a playoff warrior that ups his game when the going gets tough.
'03-closed out the WCF w/o him, won the Finals with Speedy on the floor
'04-choked vs LA after Game 2
'05-bullied by Chauncey
'06-3rd option
'07-exploited an easy mismatchg
'08-'10-meaningless
'11-young Mike Conley Jr
'12-choked after Game 2 vs OKC
'13-his one truly elite year
'14-closed out WCSF and WCF w/o him, won the Finals by in his own words 'trusting his teammates'
02 - Outplayed Gary Payton as a rookie
03 - No argument there
04 - To be fair, the entire team, including Horry, Duncan, etc, all shat the bed when Phil adjusted to fronting Shaq.
05 - Dude, he played 1 on 1 defense on Hamilton when Hamilton drove the lane with a spin move and chance to win game on a last second shot in game 5, totally bodying him up and making Hamilton throw up a bad off-balance shot
06 - so he didn't play bad you're saying?
07 - he played great
12 - So did Danny, Kawhi, Manu, and nearly everyone else but Stephen Jackson
13 - elite indeed
14 - he didn't play like and his team won the championship
So we're looking at 5 good years
1 year where he sucked and had to be pulled to win a finals
1 year where he played well enough for his team to win the finals
and 6 years where he played like just like everyone else on the team when we either choked in classic Spurs Fashion or just had straight up ty teams
Fkla breaking ankles in this thread. Rique fanboys
Every body remember FLKA's previous meltdowns? I'm sure we'll see something god this year. Unlike the Harlem crew, FKLA is emotionally invested in the issue.
It's still pretty dumb to on Parker when the spurs really could not have realistically had a better point guard over the last 10years. Even if he just ate the damn regular reason minutes to let Manu and Duncan rest, i'd still retire his number.
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