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    Nice backpedal. You didn't define a length of time then try to rip me because after using very general language that I wasn't somehow able to read your mind to know "going forward" means "going forward for the next 25 games + playoffs only this season."

    Are you 12? You don't get to ridicule someone for your own poor use of English.
    I'll admit the language was vague. Should've clarified that I meant going forward this year.

    And at using +/- stats over 5 games where OKC is missing KD and Westbrook has been forced to do too much. You think Kawhi would have good +/- numbers if he was forced to carry a team by himself?

    Stop dodging the question. If Westbrook is a cancer and hurts his team, how come they noticeably outperform their opponents this year when he's on the court, and then fall apart with him off the court?

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    Top 10.

    But he doesn't score 40 points every night, he sucks!

    But when Westbrook does that, he's a chucker and cancer!

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    Since you want to ignore the entire scope of the season and instead focus on small sample sizes:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-sum:pgl_basic

    Hmm, what makes more sense: looking at how Kawhi has performed over the entire season, or looking at how he performed over a 7 game stretch? I'm going to assume you have common sense and say the former. So I hope you apply that same logic to Westbrook. Using the last 5 games and bringing up his +/- (btw, you were wrong...in his last 5 games, he's had a positive +/- twice) to imply he hurts the team is disingenuous. The team has done far better with him on the court this year compared to when he's on the bench. Same goes for the 2014 playoffs, where he had far and away the best +/- numbers of anyone on OKC. Westbrook isn't at his best when he's forcing things and taking 30+ shots a game. You won't find me disagreeing with that. But he's not like that all the time, and a lot of it is because KD has been injured. Who else is going to create offense on OKC? Reggie Jackson got traded. Scott Brooks sure as isn't drawing up plays
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    Kawhi doesn't average 20+ ppg because he doesn't take enough shots (unless he has an absurdly good shooting season). Every 20+ ppg player (except for Butler) is shooting 16+ times a game. Kawhi is only shooting 12 times a game.

    As far as where he ranks, 3rd best SF, and I'd say you could make an argument for him being top 10 if he was healthy all season. I'd say easily top 20.

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    Westbrook is a great player but he is doing way too much to try and make up for KD. I get he has to take on a bigger offensive role, but that doesn't mean he should be taking all of KD's shots. That just won't work, he needs to let his teammates help him a bit more.

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    I would say top 10 in the nba. One of the best defensive players in the league.

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    He's far too inconsistent and injury prone to be top 10. I'd say top 25 when he's healthy. (top 5 defender and top 50 scorer)

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    if i was in superhuman unstoppable mode i'd be a top 5 player too

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    Defensive wise, top 10.
    Offensive wise, I would put alot of players in front of him. Wiggins included.

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    I'm watching the Bulls game and it's weird to see Kawhi in the post getting doubled. You can see him think. He's got to think faster, pass out quick. He's not slow or stupid, he just needs tons of reps as a first option before he's an elite first option halfcourt guy.

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    Defensive wise, top 10.
    Offensive wise, I would put alot of players in front of him. Wiggins included.

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    I'm watching the Bulls game and it's weird to see Kawhi in the post getting doubled. You can see him think. He's got to think faster, pass out quick. He's not slow or stupid, he just needs tons of reps as a first option before he's an elite first option halfcourt guy.
    His post moves look like lebron's. Awkward, slow, using pure strength to get into the lane.

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    Defensive wise, top 10.
    Offensive wise, I would put alot of players in front of him. Wiggins included.
    i would take Leonard over Wiggins.

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    Defensive wise, top 10.
    Offensive wise, I would put alot of players in front of him. Wiggins included.
    People are sleeping on Wiggins! He's 19 and he's looked like a veteran these last couple of months

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    i would take Leonard over Wiggins.
    Wiggins anyday for me.
    Wiggins' on ball defense is as good as Leonard's.
    His offensive game is so smooth, leonard cant even compare to him tbh. He has a great step back, an array of post moves that he can even fake up and under lebron in a matchup. and his post-fadeaway is kobe/MJesque.
    And he is only 19.

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    People are sleeping on Wiggins! He's 19 and he's looked like a veteran these last couple of months
    Yup, really hope he comes to the spurs one day.

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    Yup, really hope he comes to the spurs one day.
    NBA would be ed with a prime Wiggins and Kawhi

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    I think top 20-25 would be fair considering his inconsistency. He's easily top 10 when he is on his game though.

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    Top ten impact when he's healthy

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