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  1. #26
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    Graham is washed up....pretty meh pickup.

  2. #27
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    I love Jimmy Graham and think he's still a beast...but Seattle is where WR/TE go to their fantasy deaths

  3. #28
    Spend ten minutes looking at like any random draft from 6-7 years and what percentage of the picks were bad. And back then it was even worse because rookie wages were way higher. At least if a pick works you can underpay the guy for a while but its still a crap shoot. Belichick has a ton of horrible picks on his resume and he's one of the best personnel guys in the league

  4. #29
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    Graham is washed up....pretty meh pickup.
    In the last two seasons...

    over 170 receptions
    over 2000 yards
    26td's

    That's washed up?

    We could take the last 10 seasons and not see that for Seahawk TE's combined.

  5. #30
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    $500 that says he doesn't reach 1000 rec yds next season.
    Ghazi could get himself a couple of handjobs with that.

  6. #31
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    In the last two seasons...

    over 170 receptions
    over 2000 yards
    26td's

    That's washed up?

    We could take the last 10 seasons and not see that for Seahawk TE's combined.
    Truth

  7. #32
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    In the last two seasons...

    over 170 receptions
    over 2000 yards
    26td's

    That's washed up?

    We could take the last 10 seasons and not see that for Seahawk TE's combined.
    I like how you used "in the last 2 years" in order to try and hide his decline. His 2013 stats were way better.

  8. #33
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    Obviously his numbers will go down based on scheme, that's irrelevant. His presence is all that matters. He'll make life easer on everybody. A player that plays through injuries is tough enough to me, even if they don't block well. And obviously when you're injured your numbers will go down by default. So we traded a Pro Bowler who is always injured and missed many games, for better pro bowler who plays through injuries and has a greater impact on the game. And filling a significant need as well. He's 28 years old and happens to be a top 2 TE in the game, a player that just signed a new contract and we don't have to haggle with anytime soon. Granted our O-Line still needs a makeover, but this trade is a WIN.

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    I'll go slow....


    The Seahawks want to run tye ball, ok stupid? Now when you "must" double a TE what happens? Now think stupid, yep....ONE LESS DEFENDER PLAYING THE RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ya wanna give your D a blow, ok dummy? That comes about by working the clock, now what keeps that clock rolling....RUNNING THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Damn you're dumb.

    Hey stupid, what QB has more more games in their first three seaons than RW, try....NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    How often do you have to take your keyboard in to replace the "!" button

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    Obviously his numbers will go down based on scheme, that's irrelevant. His presence is all that matters. He'll make life easer on everybody. A player that plays through injuries is tough enough to me, even if they don't block well. And obviously when you're injured your numbers will go down by default. So we traded a Pro Bowler who is always injured and missed many games, for better pro bowler who plays through injuries and has a greater impact on the game. And filling a significant need as well. He's 28 years old and happens to be a top 2 TE in the game, a player that just signed a new contract and we don't have to haggle with anytime soon. Granted our O-Line still needs a makeover, but this trade is a WIN.
    Its a win for both teams.

  11. #36
    BOlieve manufan10's Avatar
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    I think it will be interesting to see how RW responds this season. This gives the Seahawks a legitimate receiving threat.

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    Its a win for both teams.
    I agree. I really hope Max stays healthy, his impact will be felt instantaneously. He was one of my favorite players while in a Hawks uniform. He'll fit effortlessly, very intelligent player. Not to mention you now have two first round picks, niiiice

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    I agree. I really hope Max stays healthy, his impact will be felt instantaneously. He was one of my favorite players while in a Hawks uniform. He'll fit effortlessly, very intelligent player. Not to mention you now have two first round picks, niiiice
    Hope he does well out in NoLa, too. Got yourself a gamer! Best of luck to Max Unger!

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    Its a win for both teams.
    i agree

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    I like how you used "in the last 2 years" in order to try and hide his decline. His 2013 stats were way better.
    I like how you ignore the fact he had over 80 catchs in 2014. Now tell me slick how many catchs have Seattle TE 's had in the last decade? He's a HUGE upgrade and it's real obvious.

    The thing is he demands double coverage, now what's that do to a running game?

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    In the last two seasons...

    over 170 receptions
    over 2000 yards
    26td's

    That's washed up?

    We could take the last 10 seasons and not see that for Seahawk TE's combined.
    Not a fair comparison. Graham had Brees throwing to him while the Seahawks TE's were stuck with Struggle.

  17. #42
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    I like how you ignore the fact he had over 80 catchs in 2014. Now tell me slick how many catchs have Seattle TE 's had in the last decade? He's a HUGE upgrade and it's real obvious.

    The thing is he demands double coverage, now what's that do to a running game?
    Yeah, he's an upgrade over Luke Willson. If he stays healthy.

  18. #43
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    I like how you ignore the fact he had over 80 catchs in 2014. Now tell me slick how many catchs have Seattle TE 's had in the last decade? He's a HUGE upgrade and it's real obvious.

    The thing is he demands double coverage, now what's that do to a running game?
    Yeah, he's an upgrade over Luke Willson. If he stays healthy.

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    Not a fair comparison. Graham had Brees throwing to him while the Seahawks TE's were stuck with Struggle.
    Do you ever actualy look into anything? RW has a higher passer rating than Brees the last three seasons. And, if you compare Brees first three seasons to RW's, it's all RW.

    Dude, how can you be so damn stupid?

    Are you ever going to figure this out?

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    I like how you ignore the fact he had over 80 catchs in 2014. Now tell me slick how many catchs have Seattle TE 's had in the last decade?
    Graham was also targeted 125 times last season.

    In comparison, John Carlson led the Seahawks in receptions and receiving yards in 2008 while only being targeted 80 times. Of course, that was in the pre-Struggle era when they still had real quarterbacks instead of gimmicks

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    Graham was also targeted 125 times last season.

    In comparison, John Carlson led the Seahawks in receptions and receiving yards in 2008 while only being targeted 80 times. Of course, that was in the pre-Struggle era when they still had real quarterbacks instead of gimmicks
    You mean back when they went 4-12, 5-11,7-9, 7-9? Then since RW...12-6,16-3, 14-4.

    Great point ya made there slick, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's those ing gimmicks, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you work at being stupid?

    I'll ask again, hey stupid what QB has been more successful than RW after just three seasons, well?

  22. #47
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    Do you ever actualy look into anything? RW has a higher passer rating than Brees the last three seasons. And, if you compare Brees first three seasons to RW's, it's all RW.

    Dude, how can you be so damn stupid?

    Are you ever going to figure this out?
    First of all, Brees is routinely throwing the ball 50 and even 60 times a game, while Struggle has never topped 37 attempts. More throws = higher risk of incompletions and picks.

    Second of all, QB ratings should be the last thing any Struggle Wilson rider would ever want to bring up.

  23. #48
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    Not sure this guy should use riding as an adverse term when relating to Wilson--it seems he's enjoyed being spitroasted by his sucking of LeBron and his constant anti-Wilson stance. We get it. You don't like him. Don't need to sound like a salty ex- each and every time.

  24. #49
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    First of all, Brees is routinely throwing the ball 50 and even 60 times a game, while Struggle has never topped 37 attempts. More throws = higher risk of incompletions and picks.

    Second of all, QB ratings should be the last thing any Struggle Wilson rider would ever want to bring up.
    So QB's are judged on passing atempts, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, QB's are judged by wins, ok?

    RW is fantastic guy and only a total moron like you wouldn't get that.

  25. #50
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    Not sure this guy should use riding as an adverse term when relating to Wilson--it seems he's enjoyed being spitroasted by his sucking of LeBron and his constant anti-Wilson stance. We get it. You don't like him. Don't need to sound like a salty ex- each and every time.
    It's pretty obvious CN is a moron, but it is fun kicking his dumbass around.

    His....ya gotta throw! throw the ball, throw! throw!..hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! The too stupid to realize, no ya don't.

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