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the Bible doesn't live up to our current moral standards. It's in desperate need of reform. Or a blowtorch.
Not all societies. There are primitive atheist tribes in the world right now doing just fine without a deity.
There are good lessons to learn in plenty of fictional fables out there. Nobody needs the Bible to tell them that killing and stealing is wrong.2. Are you saying that there are absolutely no moral lessons in the Bible? You don't have to believe every parable in the Bible to know what a good lesson really is. If you seriously cannot bring yourself to see any moral value in the Bible, then you are being incredibly pompous. I do believe that "Thou shalt not kill", I do believe that "Thou shalt not steal", I do believe "Thou shalt honor your father and mother". The Bible is far from perfect, but any sane person cannot deny that those three things I just mentioned are pretty good morals to have. So if you agree with at least that, then you cannot say that nothing good can come from the Bible. You don't have to be a believer to understand.
But if you are going to go all in on the Bible, then you have to take the bad with the good and there is a lot of very bad, including advocating slavery and killing sexuals.......(which contradicts "thou shalt not kill"....)
I've got no problem with cherry picking the common sense laws out of the Bible, but it would be ridiculously stupid to base our current day society completely on Bible law.
Last edited by Blake; 03-11-2015 at 08:55 AM.
the Bible doesn't live up to our current moral standards. It's in desperate need of reform. Or a blowtorch.
And frankly, I think it's pretty clear that man made up the laws in the Bible......not a magic invisible man in the sky
I know there is a god because to many things have to fall in line in order for man, animals, plants, basically everything to co-exist. Look at the rain, snow, creation of life, the order of one animal persevering over another to live. How one life form relies on another to exist. Life and order are so complex, I dont believe a damn explosion allowed everything to fall into a perfect line. Just my humble opinion. This debate will go on forever. Atheist will never see it a believers way.
God is pretty complex. Who created God?
You will have to ask him yourself.
Cop out. Maybe he'll say a super God created him.
I'll also ask why he created conjoined twins
Last edited by Blake; 03-11-2015 at 12:24 PM.
I look at the Bible as a good story more than a religious book. Many parables and fairy tales can be traced back to lessons learned in ancient religious texts. I also agree that it is completely ridiculous to base current society on solely religious law. My main problem with atheism and religion are simple. They both boast and refuse to keep their traps shut and let people live in peace. Why should an atheist even care? Why do the religious care so much? This is why I choose to find my own damn answers to the ultimate question.Not all societies. There are primitive atheist tribes in the world right now doing just fine without a deity.
There are good lessons to learn in plenty of fictional fables out there. Nobody needs the Bible to tell them that killing and stealing is wrong.
But if you are going to go all in on the Bible, then you have to take the bad with the good and there is a lot of very bad, including advocating slavery and killing sexuals.......(which contradicts "thou shalt not kill"....)
I've got no problem with cherry picking the common sense laws out of the Bible, but it would be ridiculously stupid to base our current day society completely on Bible law.
Why should society allow an atheist to be submitted to something like prayer in a public school, for instance?
Why is it such a big deal in the first place. If you don't believe then it doesn't matter what actions you participate in. It is only a ing prayer for crying out loud. It is the same thing as recognizing that "Thou shalt not kill" is a good idea. You may side with that one part, but it doesn't mean you have to believe everything in the Bible. Why is this concept so difficult for an atheist to understand. They have zero ability to compromise and if they truly were concerned for the well being of their children, well perhaps they should teach them how to adapt to their environment and get along with their fellow man. That is so much more useful than causing that child to undergo the stresses of being one of the people responsible for making changes to the system.
Last edited by xellos88330; 03-11-2015 at 09:25 PM.
because it's offensive to those who are intelligent enough to know there's no God to pray to.
Thou shalt not kill is a good idea because man figured out it's a good idea. The irony there being that Bible God loves to kill people.
And not sure how/why you are equating these two things.
Believe me, leave everything up to mans decisions alone and we will all be dead.
OP is a got for wanting to have the same debate over and over again
well God killed everyone on a whim in Genesis, so what's the differenceBelieve me, leave everything up to mans decisions alone and we will all be dead.
And how is it not offensive to those that the atheist looks down on because of their perceived intelligence? Basically you are saying this.... "You don't get to pray because you aren't intelligent." It sounds like the ramblings of pissed off nerds if you ask me.
So since you are an atheist you must be smarter than me, but yet cannot figure out my point and keep doing gymnastics to bring in the full Bible instead of the one phrase. It should be simple. If man created the Bible, so be it, I would still think that "Thou shalt not kill" is a good idea. Why is it so hard to just agree that and live and let live? Actually, let me answer it for you. Your devout fanaticism towards atheism is blinding you and keeping you from making a simple connection. Your pride as an atheist could be tarnished because you believe that if other atheists find out that you agree with something written in the Bible, you are automatically deemed intellectually inferior. Atheists are supposed to be smart. You may be smarter than me, but you are quickly proving to be emotionally re ed.
Let me explain this once again. Is it really that hard to understand? Prayer makes people feel better. It really is that simple. You may find it dumb that people rely on it to get them through the day, however, you forget the result. The result being that the person praying gets through the damn day. Why does the method to reach the same objective matter so long as the objective is met? You are so focused on the method that you forget to look at the conclusion. You sir, need to take of those ego glasses and take a good long look at life before you start passing judgment on others. Part of me thinks that it is petty jealousy because at the end of the day, believers do tend to be happier and less afraid to take on the world than those who only look at logic.
basically I'm saying "i don't give a if you want to pray, just don't force your prayer on me."
What if you had a kid in a class with a Muslim teacher that had all the kids pray to Allah and read the Koran every morning?
Would you just "live and let live" or would you speak up?
I already agreed that it's a good law. But why should I give validation to the Bible because that law is in there?So since you are an atheist you must be smarter than me, but yet cannot figure out my point and keep doing gymnastics to bring in the full Bible instead of the one phrase. It should be simple. If man created the Bible, so be it, I would still think that "Thou shalt not kill" is a good idea. Why is it so hard to just agree that and live and let live?
You do realize there are religions older than judaism, right? It's pretty obvious to look at history and figure out that the Hebrews borrowed much of their law and monotheistic religion from others in that region that preceded them.
Lol! I have never seen prayer "forced" on anyone when I was in school. Melodramatic much?
As far as the Muslim thing, I honestly wouldn't give a flying . It is a learning opportunity. A window into a different way of thinking and ideology. Perhaps things could be learned that I previously was in the dark about. This is what I mean by the atheists being dominated by blind pride. You close the door so fast on things you cannot rationalize that you miss deeper understanding altogether.
Of course I realize that there are more religions older than Judaism. It also is obvious how much of an impact faith in something greater than ourselves has long been a part of human history. Without them, there would be no us. I for one have no problem putting respect where it is due.
blake is a got. he hates god because his ex wife was a huge .
Lol! It used to be! Lol! Until someone spoke up that it was wrong! Lol!
Engel v Vitale 1962.
Lol!
easy to say on a messageboard. If they were teaching the Koran as truth, I guarantee there would be screams about it, mostly from the Christian side.As far as the Muslim thing, I honestly wouldn't give a flying . It is a learning opportunity.
The easiest and most logical thing to do is remove all religion from public policy.
Rob is a good Christian turning cheeks and doing Christs work spreading love for mankind
You can leave these ...GOD...threads for six months, then when back, it's as if ya never left.
They would scream, but I wouldn't. I know myself too well to feel threatened by ideas that are perceived as wrong.
As far as the prayer being "forced" why not fire the staff instead of making new laws? Why the need to trample the rights of the believers? It makes no sense. It was like I said before. Pissed off nerds.
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