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Read my previous post. I edited it a bit though because I had more stuff to write.
uh, ok.
Who said it was good or necessary to use logic in all situations at all times?You should definitely know the problem with logic. Here is my response to your question.
If I only thought logically, I wouldn't have enough time to save either. There are just too many unknown variables to determine whether or not my action is truly the most logical choice.
Logic mainly derives from previous results and data. I don't have enough data to make any sort of decision logically, so I would automatically revert to something more instinctual to make the choice fast enough to save a life. It really is a leap of faith because you don't even know if you yourself will even survive because there isn't enough data. Instinctually, I would save the boy as well. Logically, I would get stuck wondering why they were that close to the cliff in the first place, how high the cliff was, if there was water at the bottom, the importance of both people to the future, and so on and so forth.
I don't know anyone that would disagree that sometimes you don't have time to use logic when you only have seconds to make a decision.
Do you never use logic?
Read my previous post. I edited it a bit though because I had more stuff to write.
Oh, and you wanted to know the ugly side of logic, and I just stated it with your compliance on the matter. You have agreed that logic is not always the best choice in life. That is the point I was trying to make.
should we use logic to make laws?
who is ridiculing them?So wouldn't it be "logical" to not ridicule those who have walked down that difficult path if it really wasn't God who got them through it?
Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I count at least two in your post above
yeah, still don't see the ugly side of logic. Just because you don't have time to use it, doesn't mean it's ugly.
Trap question meant to turn the entire debate back towards prayer in school which is a realm you are more comfortable in. I will answer anyway.
Yes logic should be used in making laws because logic as I stated before is indeed important, however there should also be moral judgment applied for the well being of society as a whole.
I don't understand how my reasoning couldn't be more clear to you.who is ridiculing them?
Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I count at least two in your post above
If God doesn't exist, how did the person get through their difficult situation? Well, then they must have gotten through it on their own without any divine help. So why ridicule the method if it provides a positive result?
And yes you are ridiculing believers with your talk of "imaginary friend", "magic user", "flying spaghetti monster" you are mocking the core of the belief structure. It makes you look like a pompous ass tbh.
That is what makes it ugly. Logic requires time, and has no sense of morality. This is why I made the reference to the movie "I, Robot".
Where do you believe morals come from again?
I don't even...I don't understand how my reasoning couldn't be more clear to you.
If God doesn't exist, how did the person get through their difficult situation? Well, then they must have gotten through it on their own without any divine help. So why ridicule the method if it provides a positive result?
And yes you are ridiculing believers with your talk of "imaginary friend", "magic user", "flying spaghetti monster" you are mocking the core of the belief structure. It makes you look like a pompous ass tbh.
Have I made someone cry? Is it you?
Well we have the time to use logic to determine the existence of Bible God, so I'm not sure what your point is here in a thread led "the God thread"
I believe morals come from personal observation and necessity within the natural world. Where do you get yours? Dawkins? Hawking? Bill Nye?
Awwww.... isn't this response just precious!!! No logic here... yawn. It is pretty fun watching you try so hard though. Tee hee!!!I don't even...
Have I made someone cry? Is it you?
Do we really have the time? Last I checked we weren't immortal and require the use of data by some dudes that died centuries ago. Hmmm.... kinda sounds a little bit familiar huh?
Society, environment, family,etc.
But thanks for confirming again that we don't need a god to make laws and public policy. Just logic based on experience and history.
So I didn't offend anyone directly. You're just assuming there is someone out there that I'm indirectly offending.Awwww.... isn't this response just precious!!! No logic here... yawn. It is pretty fun watching you try so hard though. Tee hee!!!
If an adult believes in Santa Claus and wants to add him to our science books, I'm gonna make fun of him too, regardless of whether or not he's crazy enough to pray to Santa to help him through tough times.
You appear to be an adult that can read, so yes, you have had plenty of time to read the Bible, read the history of the Bible and study other ancient religions and societies to figure out that the Bible is a pile of .
So at some point in time the glob of goo *evolved* a consciense.
RRrright.
Yep.
Why not?
Silly rabbit. Where do you think your family learned it? Where do you think the people before them learned it? It would be logical to deduce that they learned it from some sort of religious following at some point in your family tree. Religion helped form society. That is an absolute fact. To call religion useless or discredit it would be proving a persons lack of vision and ability to logically reason. Where there is religion, there is also a "God".
Santa Claus is in science books you dork. Ever read psychology? He is in there. You could probably google Santa Claus and psychology and come up with tons of hits. There are some papers that I have read that deem the belief in Santa Claus to be a healthy practice. It is the same reason God is involved in psychology as well. Last I checked, psychology is a science that studies the human mind and behavior. You cannot deny the effects of believing as there is scientific proof of such. People are capable of amazing things through their belief. You are so focused on what is or isn't possible that you are STILL forgetting to look at the result. You will always be stuck in your mindless logic loops because your need for proof and reason only focuses on the process and not what actually is. Last thing about logic. Logic requires the use of an idea which opens the door to the world of philosophy.So I didn't offend anyone directly. You're just assuming there is someone out there that I'm indirectly offending.
If an adult believes in Santa Claus and wants to add him to our science books, I'm gonna make fun of him too, regardless of whether or not he's crazy enough to pray to Santa to help him through tough times.
Btw, you admitted to ridiculing someone going through a difficult time regardless of their beliefs, and you are attempting to convince me that your moral judgment is good enough to make laws let alone vote on them? Wow! Someone is starting to look more and more insane by the post. Not that the other 35k helped your case any.
Not all of it is. There are many things in the Bible that are worth its salt.
So your logic dictates that the Bible is all . Then again, you agreed that "Thou shalt not kill" is indeed a good thing. So by your logic, 99% is good enough to call something 100% even though the reality is that 1% isn't. Hmmmm.....
According to you: "observation and necessity within the natural world"
Do you really believe every society that has ever existed was formed in part to religion? Seriously. Really?Religion helped form society. That is an absolute fact.
It's a terrible logical fallacy to assume that religion is necessary to form a good one.
Wow. Let's see these books/papers you're referring to that claim belief in Santa is a healthy practice.Santa Claus is in science books you dork. Ever read psychology? He is in there. You could probably google Santa Claus and psychology and come up with tons of hits. There are some papers that I have read that deem the belief in Santa Claus to be a healthy practice.
So the society that you and I live in which so happens to be one of the most (if not the most) powerful nations in the world wasn't founded with religion involved? This is the same society that you look for your morals in. Yet you lecture me about logical fallacy? Do you even know what that means?
You can do your own psychology research. You might find out what is wrong with you.
Not This Lying Bible-humping, Theocratic Again.
USA was not founded by Christians, not helped by Moses who didn't write the Cons ution, to be a theocratic Christian country.
Repeat Ad Nauseam:
USA was founded as a secular country, (expliciting reacting to, refusing the European corruption of Church+Royalty theocracies), with church and state SEPARATED, but with tolerance for ALL religions.
So at some point in time the glob of goo *evolved* a consciense.
RRrright.
and how did that happen?
This is good even before it starts.
Yes, the logical fallacy you are using regarding "the society you and I live in" is known as "false cause".
I could also go with a couple of others, tbh.
This could be seen as "ad hominem".You can do your own psychology research. You might find out what is wrong with you.
but you can do your own logical fallacy research. You might find out how wrong you are.
How did your god come into existence? He just happens to have existed forever and for fun, created life on a incredibly small speck of the milky way speck which itself is part of a cluster of tiny specks in an immensely vast section of the visible universe.So at some point in time the glob of goo *evolved* a consciense.
RRrright.
and how did that happen?
Rriiiight
Yet religion still became a focal point in the society. "In God we Trust" on our money, prayer in schools. You can use all the latin you want in describing it. It doesn't change how integrated religion has been in the shaping of American culture.
LMAO!!! You wanted me to give you proof and gave you the means to do it. Yet, here you are using latin. Hmmm...
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