makes no sense...a prime Shaq vs a Miami Shaq?
A Prime Wade and Lebron vs a prime MJ and Kobe.....CROFLMAO get the outta here dude...MJ and Kobe would run them boys off the court
I would let Kobe post Lebron up all day and MJ woud post the outta Wade...Lebron has 0 post game....it would be laugable to watch....
I didn't say Lakers wouldn't win, I just figured I'd list some compe ion. In my opinion the Rudy T team would probably get second place followed by the all time classiest team.
Excluding gm positions is a valid rule, but it gives pat Riley a chance to use late prime LeBron.
Both MJ and Kobe have been defacto PG's ... unless some of you geniuses really buy Fisher, Paxson, Kerr etc. as Pg's. The game has changed even since Kobe's prime. But to act like neither guy could run PG when you have guys like Westbrook (wasnt a PG in college) have been able to do so ... is silly.
where is Horry? Odom was good but Horry should have that spot ....^no that wasn't my intent but it is true.... I left Melo out because he's not one of the top 5 greatest players than Phil coached...and technically speaking Phil is not even the coach in NYC..Pippen and Rodman are far more valuable than Melo....but I also left Gasol off too....he's Paussy
the all 2nd unit of Phil could be:
gasol
Kerr
Odom
Melo
Fisher
It's a toss up....Horry was clutch on his 3s' but overall Odom may have been the better player....thats' actually a good topic...who was better of the two...thats' kind tough to call because Odom had handles and quickness that Horry didn't have...Horry was a better shooter and maybe even better defensively by a tad...Odom had a better low post and mid range game....so it's tough to call...
true..Kobe was dropping dimes the season of the Achilles....he was running the point better than I've seen a Laker player run it since Magic....
Speaks volumes about how overrated KFC is as a coach.
P.S. Kobe was a great second banana, I am not sure how he'd fare as a fifth banana.
So he would be fifth to Rodman? Pippen? LOL Not a good troll job and if you are serious I expect more.
How they hangin' Amb? We havent argued in a while. Once I dropped the Kobe vs. duncan we seem to agree a lot more lately, buttercup.
Fifth in terms of importance.
Shaq and Jordan will be the 1 and 1a on offense, Pippen will facilitate, Rodman willl board, what the heck does Kobe add? Nothing. On defense, he's the fourth best perimeter option out of the 5 players.
Kobe vs. Duncan was never a debate, you were defending the indefensible, which really speaks to how good you are in this online pissing match, so hats off.
LOL You sure spent a lot of time arguing the indefensible ...
Dont think I won anything I conceded for now you had won.
But that was what always got me Amb, you acted like it wasnt a debate ...but wrote novels debating a non debate ... so maybe I did win ...
LOL, Nothing.
BBBBBut I dont hate Kobe, I am just stating facts ... thanks for the stroll down memory lane ...
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In a sense, yes, you kept something dead alive for years, which is just incredible. I can never do that, I can never come in and act like Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker carried the Spurs to 4 les, or how George Gervin was greater than Michael Jordan, or how Pippen had a better career than Larry Bird. I can't, and yet you did, with Kobe vs. Duncan.
What would Kobe add to that lineup exactly? What does he have that the other members don't?
I don't have to argue YOUR side you made that statement stand by it ... I find it silly. But dont have the energy for any Kobe debates, tbh.
So OP is saying that Phil was an average coach but he's had the best talent available. Way to kick your own ass.
Not kicking my ass at all...it is true to some degree but he was an above average coach despite coaching the best players ..conversely I think Pop is avg..why? Because Pop is TOTALLY incapable of coaching ego driven and narcissistic players like MJ, Kobe, Shaq, and Rodman....Pop even had Rodman at one point but couldnt handle him...so gave him up.....it takes a real talented coach to manage the egos....Pop likes to bring in passive guys that he can turn into es players that cant or wont challenge him...real soft ass players that will even barely defend themselves in a fight..players that he can use the loyalty card with and convince them to themselves by taking less pay... .its the reason the Spurs never fight becsuse they'd get steamrolled...
Its also why I dont respect the Spurs to some degree..i dont like all that soft pussy ass play....
Kobe and MJ would have challenged Pop to his core and maybe even ran him off..likeKobe did Phil.....actually Kobe and MJ are to big for SA...they could have never thrived in such a small market.....
Like I said.
C Wilt Chamberlain
PF Tim Duncan
SF Julius Erving
SG Michael Cooper
PG Oscar Robertson
Wilt was just great maybe the greatest Big man of all time He could score on anybody
Timmy aint been 1st team NBA and 1st Team NBA defensive team for being soft He is a great defender and could score on Rodman.
Dr. J well what needs to be said about a man who could score
Cooper was 8 time all NBA defense and DPOY 1 time
Oscar Robertson may be the greatest PG of all time Almost averaged a triple double for his career.
I take my 5 with Greg Popovich as coach in a 7 game series Sorry Kool but you lose 4 games to 1.
Decided to add 2nd 5.
C Kareem
PF K Malone
SF L Bird
SG B. Bowen
PG J Stockton
Now Kool your team loses 4 to 0 in a 7 game series
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I decided to be nice this time and edited my responsenow...go back and re-read the OP before I change my mind..... / fail attempt
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Seriously you guys have to stop putting Bowen in the all time 5 list. He's a great defender but that all time 5 man roster has to have both offense and defense at every position, no room for a weakness.
I am actually asking you to stand up for your side of the argument. I said Kobe is adding nothing to the lineup, you disagreed. So why?
C - Russell
PF - Duncan
SF - Bird
SG - West
PG - Robertson
Let's not go to the 'different era' argument.
Bill Russell just won over and over. Against very good teams. Wilt Chamberlain was a beast that was as strong as Shaq but quicker and taller. Still Russell simply won.
Duncan would use his length to dominate Rodman in the post. If you think he is too soft to deal with the worm's play just rewind to the attempts in Duncan's career to out physical him. It was tried and failed miserably.
Bird could simply postup over and over with success and even move him away from the basket and nail clutch three after clutch three.
Jerry West was simply Mr Clutch. No defender had any hope to stop him.
The 'The Big O' was a Triple Double machine with the flexibility to lead the league if need be in any of the three categories.
Overall, every one of these players were consummate team players. Ability and at ude to better their team with their talents.
Also incredible defensive players, ALL.
Note: All 5 won Finals MVP's.
Nah, Amb you cant get me with that today. Not until the pick is secured and we end up with a top 3 guy. Until then I just speak on common NBA ... no Kobe stuff. Besides, if you think he brings NOTHING then why waste my time?
THAT is an argument that is NOT worth debating because it's pretty stupid. (not you, just that take)
I am utterly confused by your logic. I think Kobe brings nothing to the table, you apparent think he does. I can't think of anything he brings, so I am asking you about it.
As for the pick, you guys will keep it for sure. Just obvious case of tanking, making an otherwise 30 to 35 win team a 20 win team is quite a feat, and Scott managed that.
nI decided to be nice this time and edited my response
I did reread it. See you last part of sentence "personally caveat or not I don't think anyone could stop this team...." took that to mean you said. My team based on that statement. Read your own statement again.
The op just picked the easiest team. There are lots of fun coach combos. Can anyone take pat Riley and make a team with Showtime Lakers, Patrick Ewing, and prime Dwayne wade?
Oh and Riley would totally play Shaq off the bench to destroy Kobe with a vicious foul.
Stupid rationale....foul that big out...cool with me
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